OT: CalExit

Those are both buttons, or perhaps dials. It is all swings and roundabouts.

The libertarian giant button is the button that detonates/disables their opponents button.

Like financial fund managers, "what works" can only be seen with 20:20 hindsight. And it is often incorrectly attributed to the antecedents rather than being correctly attributed to chance or to specific conditions than no longer apply.

Prediction is everything, and no political persuasion predicts the future very well!

To some extent, yes. But it isn't as absolute as some people like to claim.

Join the club ;}

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Tom Gardner
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Both Huxley and Orwell predicted minions like bitrex would come to love their servitude. "Make us your slaves," they'll say, "just feed us."

Both Far-sighted writers, those two.

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Cursitor Doom

Great line: "If you're an economist, how come you ain't rich?"

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John Larkin

How long do you think CA would last if the water and power from AZ were shut off? ...and just what would CA shut off in return? Wine?

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krw

No, conservatives prefer to push the fewest possible buttons.

*ALL* leftists are social engineers.
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krw

Liberal started off meaning generous, then acquired the political sense of meaning "in favour of free trade", which conservatives weren't. Americans use it as if it is the antithesis of "conservative" which misses a lot of other implications.

John Larkin hasn't got a clue about any of those implications, and Cursitor Doom is equally ill-informed.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

Depends on the system. John Larkin doesn't know enough for his opinion to be worth posting, but that happens to be one of the many things he doesn't know.

Scandinavia and Germany are better places to live than the USA - even if you are seriously rich. The US political class spends a lot on propaganda telling a different story, and gullible twits like John Larkin believe it.

Universal health care, universal education and effective social services help a lot. The US doesn't offer any of them. This is part of the reason why Germany exports about as much as the US while having only a quarter of the population.

It means that you have an inflated idea of your status as a tinkerer, and a rather poor idea of what actual engineers do.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

Which leftists? The Soviet Union had a centrally planned economy, which did n't work well. Scandinavia and Germany have free market economies, with the same sort of regulations as the US does to stop manufacturers cheating the ir customers. Rightists don't like regulations - it takes extra work to mak e sure your products are up to scratch, and cheating is profitable.

The Soviet centrally planned economy was a bad idea, but everybody knows th at now. Move on.

Not entirely. Without experts in the right areas, you don't have progress. When experts think that they are expert outside their areas of competence - as you do - they can dish out lots of silly opinions - as you do - on subj ects they know nothing useful about.

Universal education, universal health care, effective social services. If t he government doesn't have an effective defence force, it doesn't last long enough for the rest of the functions to be of any significance.

It means that John Larkin doesn't understand what's involved in engineering , as opposed to tinkering.

An antisocial tinkerer.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

Keynes was, and as Bursar of Kings College, Cambridge, he made it quite bit richer than it had been before. The kind of economists that James Arthur favours haven't done as well.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

Conservatives see inaction as a virtue.

To the extent that they think that society can be changed, and for the better.

Conservatives don't like change, and tend to claim that any change is for the worst, but still end up connecting their house to the electricity generating system, mains water pipes and the sewage system, which were all once dangerous innovations.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

That would be Aldous Huxley in "Brave New World" and George Orwell in "1984 ". Both were satirical exaggerations of trends they thought they saw workin g in society at the time. "Brave New World" was published in 1931, and hasn 't proved to be all that prophetic. "1984" was published in 1949 and didn't prophecy anything that has actually happened either.

George Orwell did have a clear idea of what was wrong with Soviet Communism - he'd seen it up close and personal when he was fighting against Franco i n Spain. "1984" does have some themes that resonate, but Donald Trump and "fake news " do seem to be the kind of thing he was warning about.

Aldous Huxley was a class conscious Englishman, and while class issues stil l make England less economically effective than it might be, the English po or aren't as brain-damaged by bad diet and bad education as they used to be , though Cursitor Doom does demonstrate that there is at least one cognitiv ely challenged UK resident.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

The military bases are on FEDERAL land, not state land.

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Never piss off an Engineer! 

They don't get mad. 

They don't get even. 

They go for over unity! ;-)
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Michael A. Terrell

Even better, shut off the flow of water from other states.

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Never piss off an Engineer! 

They don't get mad. 

They don't get even. 

They go for over unity! ;-)
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Michael A. Terrell

That's why they have no problem with Islam.

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Never piss off an Engineer! 

They don't get mad. 

They don't get even. 

They go for over unity! ;-)
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Michael A. Terrell

No, just send the losers among them back to England.

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Never piss off an Engineer! 

They don't get mad. 

They don't get even. 

They go for over unity! ;-)
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Michael A. Terrell

Then you've never met anyone who bragged about being a third generation welfare bum, who brags that no one in their family has ever had a job? I met many of them, when I did TV repair back in the '70s.

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Never piss off an Engineer! 

They don't get mad. 

They don't get even. 

They go for over unity! ;-)
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Michael A. Terrell

All those Hollywood movie stars crying over their brown lawns. It doesn't bear thinking about. ;-)

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Cursitor Doom

.."outlaw private gun ownership, and then there would be no crime". Naturally; no law to offed against, kill everyone in sight then not legal.

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Robert Baer

Seems to be a badge of honour in some of our northern cities here too.

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Cursitor Doom

"It's 'engineering' Jim, but not as we know it."

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Cursitor Doom

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