OT: *Bang* you are dead

Your logic is lacking. I asked how this relates to electronic design. Your reply does not relate to what I asked.

To the rest of the readers of SED, I apologise. I did not mean to arouse the crazies.

Dan

Wrong. To stop a bad guy with a gun requires a good guy with a gun. Your odds are much better if you're one of the good guys.

Absolutely! Do learn something about the subject before spouting nonsense.

Pretty weak...

Heard what? That there was a Sandy Hook shooting? ...that Obama signed 23 executive actions? Proposed 12 Congressional actions?

Does this answer the question for you (I know you probably think CNN is a right wing front for the NRA, but...)?

The EAs:

1. "Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system."
2. "Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system."
3. "Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system."
4. "Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks."
5. "Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun."
6. "Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers."
7. "Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign."
8. "Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission)."
9. "Issue a presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations."
10. "Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement."
11. "Nominate an ATF director."
12. "Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations."
13. "Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime."
14. "Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence."
15. "Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies."
16. "Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."
17. "Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities."
18. "Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers."
19. "Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education."
20. "Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover."
21. "Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges."
22. "Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations."
23. "Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health."

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trictive fire-arms possession laws. The laws don't stop people from owning guns, because they buy them in less restrictive states, and the illegally h eld guns don't show up in teh gun possession figures.

Except that when reporters test the enforcement of these "mandatory backgro und checks", they don't seem to be being enforced.

Why? If illegal purchase is easy - and it seems to be easy over most of the US - it's a fact of life. Most advanced industrial countries make it diffi cult enough that the gun murder rate is much lower than the general homicid e rate.

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azy to keep a gun in your house, because if you go nuts, you run the risk o f killing somebody with it - usually yourself, but some crazies kill other people first.

It's a cost-benefit calculation. Having a gun in the house doesn't actually make you safer, because the increased risk of suicide overwhelms anything it might win you in deterring home invasions of various sorts.

Owning a car is at least as dangerous, but a car gets you to the shops, to your friends and relatives and to your job (if you've got one) - all of the m benefits worth having.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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ry last opinion that he ventilates here is absolutely right.

I cite stuff in support of my opinions - not all the time, but enough to in dicate that I'm presenting stuff based on a coherent body of information.

Jim never does. He has been known to go as far as to cite rubbish newspaper articles from the dregs of the right-wing gutter press, which isn't quite the same.

I think his most recent cite was about the recovery of the Arctic ice cover from last year's extremely low minimum to a low - but non-record-breaking

- minimum this year. It was simple-minded denialist propaganda, aimed at th e gullible, and Jim took it seriously enough to post the URL here.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

My logic is fine.

It didn't give you the answer you were looking for. What it was intended to imply was that the user-group "sci.electronics.design" includes people who are interested in electronics design and gun control.

As opposed to Robert Baer - the OP - who had exactly that in mind.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

no, what you mean is _you_ won't lose continuity both links work the same here.

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Except that in this case, the piracy statistics stop at 2000 with a total o f 17 incidents. Google doesn't give neat figures since then, but the figure s I can find suggest that the current level is about an order of magnitude higher. Somebody who read newspapers with an international news section mig ht have heard of Somalia and the Horn of Africa.

Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson in top form. Methane is a greenhouse gas, and everybody's flatulence contains some. What gets lit seems to be h ydrogen, but there's usually some methane there. My contribution will be lo st amongst those from the other 7.18 billion humans, which are in turn dwar fed by the contributions of the cattle industry.

As a greenhouse gas, methane is much more potent than CO2, but it doesn't l ast in the same way, being degraded to CO2 and water within a century, and since there's not a lot of it in the atmosphere it's only responsible for a bout a third as much of the anthropogenic global warming as CO2, which it t urn creates a lot of it's effect by positive feedback through increased wat er vapour levels.

Jim's confidence is - as usual - based on his remarkable and comprehensive ignorance.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

But krw wouldn't be one of the good guys, even if he was carrying his gun when the bad guys were within range.

He's not trained in fire discipline in that kind of chaotic situation, and those that are still shoot an appreciable number of their colleagues by mistake.

Granting his limited intellectual powers, as exhibited here, it's unlikely that anybody could train him to a level where he wouldn't be actively dangerous to himself and all the other non-bad-guys involved.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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ost other advanced industrialised countries, and the difference is essentia lly the gun murder rate.

gun ownership. US states with low crime rates do seem to be more relaxed a bout gun ownership, but it isn't obvious if this is cause or effect.

ced industrial country, and it's the gun homicide rate that makes the diffe rence.

itute a "well-regulated militia". Nowhere near enough of them have died "wh ile cleaning their fire-arms", but we can hope.

ide, which is the biggest risk of gun-ownership - the person most likely to be killed by a gun is the person who owns it, almost always at their own h and.

ly transient and irrational.

rictive fire-arms possession laws. The laws don't stop people from owning g uns, because they buy them in less restrictive states, and the illegally he ld guns don't show up in teh gun possession figures.

zy to keep a gun in your house, because if you go nuts, you run the risk of killing somebody with it - usually yourself, but some crazies kill other p eople first.

it from being able to bear arms. Even the Swiss, who did organise pretty mu ch everybody into a well-regulated militia, have given up on the idea.

hemselves - and sometimes innocent by-standers - when they go nuts, it's pr obably not the cleverest idea you've come up with.

nd the NRA publicises those rare occasions when it happens, but these death s are a negligible proportion of the deaths that home-owned guns inflict.

tten, designed to let the people who owned the country run the country. The y did a relatively good job of it back in 1776, but other people have writt en better constitutions since then, and found better ways of running countr ies.

nd in writing the 1948 German constitution, which does work rather better, and may go some way to explain why Germany has a Gini index of 0.283, while yours is 0.45 (worse than Russia at 0.401, if better than China at 0.47).

So, it seems you are in favor of stricter national gun regulations? how abo ut politicians who desire to carry concealed weapons? Are they exceptions t o the rules?

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"Politicians in California say their working lives are now so dangerous tha t they should be given special dispensation to carry concealed guns to thei r offices in order to protect themselves.

Members of the California state assembly in Sacramento from both main parti es have introduced a bill that would put politicians in the same class of w orkers vulnerable to violence as agents who arrange bail for defendants or jewellery shop owners.

The bill would grant California's representatives to Congress in Washington and its state politicians a "good cause" classification, entitling them to carry hidden guns while in the state on the grounds of self-defence."

-Bill

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They seem to contribute to the much lower gun homicide rates recorded in mo st other advanced industrial countries.

eptions to the rules?

The whole point about gun regulation is that nobody gets to carry a legal f irearm, except for the occasional armed guard in places that are known to a ttract criminals with a penchant for carrying illegal concealed firearms

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hat they should be given special dispensation to carry concealed guns to th eir offices in order to protect themselves.

ties have introduced a bill that would put politicians in the same class of workers vulnerable to violence as agents who arrange bail for defendants o r jewellery shop owners.

on and its state politicians a "good cause" classification, entitling them to carry hidden guns while in the state on the grounds of self-defence."

This does rather beg the question of whether their concealed weapons would make them - or everybody else - safer. They might well feel safer, but the statistics suggest that they are more likely to shoot themselves, or get sh ot in mistake for somebody carrying an illegal gun, than they are to shoot some armed nutcase before the armed nutcase shoots them, which is a tolerab ly rare event.

US politicians are no more susceptible to rational thought about the risks and benefits of easy access to guns than anybody else in the US. Quite a fe w Americans do have a sensible point of view, but they do tend to get shout ed down by the irrational guns nuts, and the people who make money out of s elling hand guns to people who don't need them and shouldn't have them.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

They contribute, but burning fossil carbon for fuel and releasing the CO2 so formed into the atmosphere contributes quite a lot more.

But Jim Thompson couldn't "prove" that either, even though it does happen to be true - he'd be hard pressed to prove that 2+2=4.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

Jim Thompson wrote: ...

No, no, no...it is CATTLE farts!

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I think it's fair to say that the greater the amount of bullshit which 
emanates from an asshole, the greater the amount of methane that 
asshole will spew into the atmosphere. 

That being the case, it seems likely that BS's lungs have mutated into 
efficient high-volume methane generators.

...Jim Thompson

It might be "fair", but it reflects a rather weak grasp of physical reality . The process that generates opinions that you don't happen to agree with doe sn't have much to do with fermentation in the hind-gut. If you could think to any worthwhile extent, you might concentrate your attention on activity in the fore-brain. That's where people who do think seem to do their thinki ng.

You might legitimately say "if that were the case" despite the fact that it obviously isn't."That being the case" is the kind of ignorant nonsense we' ve gotten used to getting from Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson. Imit ation may be the sincerest form of flattery, but it's still flattery, and i n Dante's "Divine Comedy" the flatterers were the sinners whose mouths extr uded excrement.

An entertaining concept, but technically implausible. If they'd mutated to generate an appreciable amount of hydrogen as well - no more implausible - I'd be a fire-breathing dragon. Consider yourself crisped in the non-physi cal universe you've just invented.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

Of course Slowman is always wrong. Slowman constantly brags about it.

Idiot. Cops shoot more innocent bystanders than do people with CCW permits (even though those with carry permits shoo SIX TIMES more bad guys than cops) but Slowman, like all lefty loons, doesn't care about facts.

Slowman shows, once again, why everyone here laughs at him. He truly is hilarious.

Slowman *IS* a cow fart.

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s and benefits of easy access to guns than anybody else in the US. Quite a few Americans do have a sensible point of view, but they do tend to get sho uted down by the irrational guns nuts, and the people who make money out of selling hand guns to people who don't need them and shouldn't have them.

Not sure there's a correlation between gun ownership and murder. Have you r ead the Harvard study?

"Looking at Western Europe, the study shows that Norway "has far and away W estern Europe's highest household gun ownership rate (32%), but also its lo west murder rate."

And when the study focuses on intentional deaths by looking at the U.S. vs Continental Europe, the findings are no less revealing. The U.S., which is so often labeled as the most violent nation in the world by gun control pro ponents, comes in 7th--behind Russia, Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania, Belarus, and the Ukraine--in murders. America also only ranks 22nd in suicides.

The murder rate in Russia, where handguns are banned, is 30.6; the rate in the U.S. is 7.8"

-Bill