OT: Any BCIT EET Grads Here?

The _true_ US unemployment rate is closer to 16%, up to as high as 30% in Detroit... I've heard 18-20% numbers in some areas of California where the snail darter is more important to Obama than the farm employment in the San Joaquin Valley.

But I don't care anymore. You morons who voted for Obama are going to get your just desserts and I'll simply walk away with a smirk on my face :-) ...Jim Thompson

"Jim Thompson" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

But how does it help any of your fellow fiscally-arch-conservative acquaintances like Keith and Yanik and James Arthur to just walk away from it all? Surely you feel at least a tingle of fellowship with them? At least to me, fixing the problem still seems a better -- and easier -- option than just leaving.

Is Arizona getting a lot of people moving in from states that are hemmorrhaging jobs such as California?

---Joel

P.S. -- I hope your wife is recovering well.

A "tingle" of fellowship? Yes. Responsibility? No. If Obama carries through on his socialist plan, those of us who still have a saleable skill will simply leave you socialists to your hope and change :-)

The number of people, either working directly for the government, or on the dole in some fashion or another, now exceeds 50% of the voters. Barring a natural catastrophe that kills only liberals, we're doomed.

Some. But mostly Mexicans, though that's slowing to a trickle, no work means no work, irrespective of the "wage".

Slowly. Everything I can find on the web suggests a coccyx fracture is one long painful recovery :-(

She can walk and lie down, but not sit for any period of time without doubling up in pain :-( ...Jim Thompson

The Laffer curve is a well-known right-wing myth when it comes to real economies

Regan and Bush both lost tax revenue because they took it seriously, which is to they didn't actually look at any to real economic statistics before launching their legislation.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Certainly. We'd be coming out of the recession about now, rather than being somewhere between a "jobless recovery" and a "double-dip recession".

They sure *can* move the economy in a negative direction. Uncertainty is

The recession certainly started on Bush's watch, like the previous was on Clinton's. There is no recovery, this time. Watch unemployment continue to rise.

There are two zeros on the Laffer curve. Demonicrats are aiming for the one on the right side.

Certainly not a catastrophe, but an unnatural revolution has a better chance of killing only liberals.

Everyone is losing jobs, if you haven't seen the map. That's not the point, though. Companies are leaving CA (or going bust) and the jobs won't come back if the employers don't. What moron would start a business in CA now.

I have personally seen businesses move away because of too high taxes. meaning the region slid down the right side of the Laffer curve. Right meaning on the curve, not in a politcal sense :-)

Case in point for my personal Laffer curve: Way back when I had a choice. Doing a major remodel myself of hire it out. Took a look at my tax bracket, then took a look at the bids, didn't have an urgent client request and could push one job into the next year -> Did the remodel myself. Less taxes, less employment. Great, ain't it?

It was also my reason not to remain in the Netherlands although I liked that country. Once again, that has meant a 100% loss of one employees taxes for your country because I didn't live and work there. But could have (there was a nice job but they required me to live in NL).

So, there.

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Nice anecdotes, but the statistics strongly suggest that you are an exception, rather than the rule.

The problem with the Laffer curve is that the arguement sounds plausible, and it tales a lot of work to demonstrate that real economies don't sit anywhere near the point of diminishing returns when it comes to increasing taxes.

This is particularly true of the US, which broke away from the UK in order to evade UK taxes, and designed its constitution so that its citizens could continue to evade taxation.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Right-wingers can't do quantitative thinking. Real economies all sit well to the left of the peak of the Laffer curve, and marginal increases in taxes always make more money for the tax-collecting authority. Regan and Bush both tested this proposition by cutting taxes, and both found that they had decreased government tax revenue, rather than increasing it.

The US could probably make money by educating Republicans, if Republicans were actually educatable.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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And Hoover was right in 1930? Right wing idiots who don't know history do seem to be dedicated to repeating it.

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And the 1930 Great Depression left no uncertainty about the state of the economy, though 25% unemployment isn't usually seem as being good for business.

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To the 25% you prescription would seeem to entail?

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

I am in regular contact with business leaders and decision makers and I know for a fact that I am not an exception. It's not just businesses, I also know plenty of people who retired in other states for the sole reason of lower taxes.

Fact is, many do but nobody wants to know about it. Stick head in sand

-> no more problem can be seen.

Huh? First, the US has greatly surpassed the UK as an economic power. So you might say that it worked. Secondly, we are no longer a low-tax country so the Laffer curve (now) applies here as it does almost anywhere else.

Au contraire. Ronald Reagan was one of the best presidents our country ever had. Here is some reading material for you, a dose of reality, meaning with hard data in there and not just words and opinions:

Joerg, Why do you "debate" Slowman? Because your newsreader is too cheap to include filtering capabilities ?:-) ...Jim Thompson

Me. My taxes have gone down by over $5K/yr. Other costs have gone down, as well, because others don't have the same taxes either.

I know *many* who moved residences from the NE and rust-belt states to FL and AZ, mainly because of taxes. Some are snowbirds and many moved permanently. In neither case are their (previous) home states able to collect taxes from them.

That's Slowman, except it's not sand.

We will be #4 taxed country by next year.

The idiot Slowman doesn't think at all.

The idiot Slowman just said the Laffer curve doesn't exist. You're a joke, Slowman.

Slowman is a damned liar, but that's well known.

I see you've been taken over by AlwaysWrong.

Not dead round here either. Getting paid, now, that can be a problem. :(

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Institute

I've had some slow-pay in the past, but not right now. My only problem now is that I'm not as fully booked as I'd like to be. ...Jim Thompson

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Do what I usually do (and lawyers, often), when you may not be sure or don't want to act like your client's "free banking" service. Include a clause in the contract for a retainer to start work and require that retainer to be refilled before it empties out, if they want continuous work. They can choose to keep that on a 'short leash' or a long one, their choice.

Jon