Graphs, snaphs! I just needed data processing. If I need a graph, I can simply grab a column of data and plug it into PSpice Probe. Learned how to do that last year while I was learning how to do IBIS models... now I are the expert O:-) ...Jim Thompson
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Hi Joerg,
After SP2 was installed, Office 97 have a couple of annoying bugs. I've kept a folder of these for use later...
Can't register htmlmarq.txt
Re: Office 97 does not install on XPSP2 system My company recently had this problem - I discovered the solution while trying to manually register 'htmlmarq.ocx'
Open regedit and browse to this key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion \Image File Execution Options
You should see htmlmarq.ocx and htmlmm.ocx separate keys. Rename them to something else, ie. killed.htmlmarq.ocx and killed.htmlmm.ocx
You will now be able to install Office 97, including the HTML option, without incident.
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Excel 97 won't follow paths.txt
Quit Excel.
These steps unregister and then re-register Excel. "
Switch Function ----------------------------------------------------------------------
/e, /embedded Forces Excel to start without displaying the startup screen and creating a new workbook (Book1.xls).
Example: /e or /embedded
/m Forces Excel to create a new workbook that contains a single macro sheet.
Example: /m
/o Forces Excel to re-register itself. Specifically, the following key is rewritten in the registry:
Excel 97: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\8.0\Excel
Excel 2000: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\9.0\Excel
Excel 2002: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\10.0\Excel
Excel 2003: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\11.0\Excel
NOTE: If this key contains values that are not valid, they are not corrected by using this switch. This switch only replaces missing values.
Example: /o
/p Forces Excel to use the path that you specify as the active path instead of the default path.
Example: /p "C:\Windows"
/r Forces Excel to open the specified file in read-only mode.
Example: /r "C:\My Documents\Test.xls"
/s, /safemode Forces Excel to bypass all files in the Application Data\Microsoft\Xlstart folder, the default XLStart folder located in the directory where Excel or Office is installed, and the alternate startup file location specified on the General tab of the Excel Options dialog box. It also forces Excel to bypass the toolbar file (Excel.xlb or .xlb). You see "Safe Mode" in the Excel title bar. Use this switch when you want to start Excel in safe mode.
Example: /s or /safemode
/t Forces Excel to use the specified file as a template for the default workbook.
/regserver Forces Excel to register itself and then quit. Use this switch when you want Excel to rewrite all its registry keys and reassociate itself with Excel files, such as workbooks, charts, and others.
Example: /regserver
/unregserver Forces Excel to unregister itself and then quit.
Example: /unregserver
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and one non-Office 97 bug
Fix OE Spellcheck function.txt
Obtain a copy of the missing file csapi3t1.dll and place it in the folder "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Proof".
Close OE then reopen the program...spellcheck should now function.
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Interesting. I guess this post of yours will help a lot of people since some are likely to run into those same issues if it happened in a whole company.
For some strange reason it installed just fine on my PC. First I used it on an old NT-machine. So when that (literally) fell apart I transferred it to this one. Not the whole Office-97 package I have but only Excel. Didn't need the rest (well, so far). Thing is, Excel-97 installed without as much as a burp, on XP-SP2. Works fine.
The downside is that I have only one license and one cannot buy Excel-97 licenses anymore. So I can't legally load it onto the laptop. Trying to keep things legit here.
[...]-- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
It does do VBA. As with so many things, YMMV.
Because it *did* work for you. Empirical evidence is Good Stuff(tm). If Thomps>Nope, only "limited VBA support".
...like your Citroen was "limited" in that it only got you everywhere you needed to go.
First, let's note that you're talking about (deprecated) OOo. As has been said many times already,
**LibreOffice** is the prime fork these days--and those folks have made serious strides since 3.0.
The fork of OOo which traditionally had the best VBA support came from Novell, which had close (and dubious, in the minds of Free Software guys) ties with M$.
The **important** stuff has been done for some time. Noel Powers got the most-used stuff done *first*.
The future will be interesting for LibreOffice, as the developers aren't as anti-M$ as Sun Microsystems and the OOo developers were. ...and the LO guys are making that old bunch look like snails.
Heh. "A better Excel than Excel." Hey, at least you didn't have an all-M$ stack in charge which then left your warship totally vulnerable.
That's because I never had to tow a fifthwheel with it. Very different with Excel here. I have clients who do just about everything with it and often OO would just not run it.
Ok, I don't know about all the various forks, flavors and whatnot. hopefully VBA support will get better. But I never saw it as much of a problem because Excel-97 did the job, every single time.
Now that is encouraging! Many rather decent softwares such as gEDA are IMHO held back in their potential, big time, because of some MS-hostility.
VBA may not be nice, may not be like, but it is as much a fact of life as Windows is.
[...]-- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
Well, with MICROS~1 having e.g. deprecated VisualBasic (yet another in a long line of their complete turnabouts), chasing M$ doesn't seem like such a great notion.
Looking at the not-even-compatible-with-itself nature of M$ technologies, playing Follow the "Leader" appears to be a fool's errand.
...with the caveats I've noted.
The gEDA guys don't give a damn one way or the other about Redmond or its half-baked technologies; their stuff doesn't rely on any of that.
Ales and the guys DID put out Windoze binaries
--THREE of them by my count. The problem was **inane users** who showed up in the gEDA forum and ASKED HOW TO RUN WINDOZE.
To weed out the actual technologists from the wannbes who waste the time of the devs and forum members, gEDA stopped producing Windoze binaries. Dan McMahill maintains a build script that is used successfully by Windoze users who know more than *point* *click* *drool*.
Well, the Free Software guys can still dream that the Redmond campus gets clobbered by a big meteor.
...and with the ever-growing success of ARM and Android, much of Wintel's economic significance will be gone by the time Win8 debuts--certainly by the time XP EoLs. We'll see how long after that point MSFT's half-baked legacy technologies hold out.
OK as long as you are not relying on any MS quirks or VBA.
But then XL2007 and XL2010 are both incompatible with previous versions of XL and each other if you look deeply enough :(
You missed a trick then. '97 was a bit unstable 2002, 2003 both much much better. You should have got a copy of XL2003 while it was still available. It was a particularly good vintage - stable and fast.
Unlike the last two flakey offerings.
If you do use any features not supported in OO try and get XL2003.
Regards, Martin Brown
No it wasn't. When I had to develop on XL '97 at one point I expected to get disastrous lock ups and crashes at least twice a day. OK I will admit I was stressing it with lots of very large files and heavily automated complex operations in VBA.
XL2002 and XL2003 could handle the same load without any difficulty and were entirely backwards compatible - a couple of minor syntactic sugar issues (and a keyword issue in a foreign language version).
XL2007 was never fit to be released to market and broke previously working code in the higher order polynomial fit on charts. They hacked it to agree with the incorrect answers another well known package gave! The graphics and charting code still has race conditions in that are worked around by glacial slowness. And default lines on charts look like they were drawn by a toddler with a thick wax crayon. Customising chart lines makes them render even more slowly.
Regards, Martin Brown
Not so. Their older software is very practical. It would not be very smart to switch to anything else and then incur hundred or thousands of expensive engineering hours translating all the existing code to Python or whatever. Da boss won't allow that, for good reason.
They also don't care about rather important practical stuff, such as a broken autonumber scheme that messes up refdeses in multi-slot parts. Many analog circuits rely on certain subsections to be on the same die. When I mentioned it I was rather rudely brushed aside. That did it, I no longer considered gEDA from then on. What was really weird is that the Ubuntu I had in a VM on this PC later self-destructed :-)
I was told a different story, that there is some stuff in there that breaks a Windows compile. Oh well.
And it'll remain a dream :-)
MS doesn't seem to be able to play in the hand-held market. For big machines I don't think they'll be replaced anytime soon. Declaring EoL for XP is a major mistake though.
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Seems you still can:
If you have to have it in the retail box:
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They can declare XP EoL for whenever they like. They will have some mighty corporates shouting at them again if they actually execute it.
No one shed a tear for Vista EoL.
Win7 is at least acceptable out of the box for normal office use.
But there is plenty of high value scientific kit using a 'Doze PC as a platform that lacks drivers for anything newer than XP. They will subsist for a long time until the kit they operate is made redundant which may be another 5-10 years. Corporate networks isolate them.
Regards, Martin Brown
I sure didn't, cuz I didn't know it already happened, cuz Vista was banned from this here office :-)
There is also the matter of DOS programs that some high-value scientific kit requires. AFAIK anything after XP has some issues in that domain.
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...showing up too late with too little at too high a price. All Wintel/x86 is good for there is to give a worst-case benchmark for slowness, poor battery life, and lack of features. When MSFT actually has to *compete*, they lose.
...if you ignore how powerful the handheld thingies' guts are. Now add a full-sized bluetooth keyboard and big stationary screen via a network connection plus Linux and its ever-expanding repos of tens of thousands of apps. Doesn't look so puny now--and you can take the processing power with you to other legacy stationary locations
--without all the clandestine M$ gotchas.
...and if you ignore **where** the *growth* is taking place. The BRIC countries (where the market isn't already saturated) is where the (FOSS-based) innovation will be seen first.
Free Software guys th>They can declare XP EoL for whenever they like.
Currently slated for April 8, 2014. I keep watching how Munich's ever-so-careful migration to Linux is going relative to that date. (They previously used TWENTY-ONE versions of Windoze and 300--often redundant--apps.)
...meanwhile, the French national police dumped M$ and already switched their 85,000 seats to Ubuntu/FOSS.
...and the Windoze Product Activation servers going offline is going to be a serious shock for the little guys who don't have bulk licenses.
aka Windoze ME Second Edition. ...and it only took them 5 years to get Longhorn out the door
--after they had stripped out anything that was actually new.
...if you don't need any actual speed. All the DRM that M$ added is constantly burning cycles
--to no purpose (since no media corps licensed that junk).
Will they EVER learn? Start with cross-platform widget sets and get the Linux Driver Project involved ($0 labor). Result: An expanded market and longer product life.
I had a different experience. In the late 90's we were on the prowl for a small OS with some realtime capabilities. At the EmbedSysCon MS royally screwed up by not being able to answer tech questions we had. Referring to "partners" all the time who were present but didn't have much of a clue either. Then we approached QNX at the same show. A guy there answered _all_ our questions exhaustively, then said "But I am just a sales guys so let me get you one of our engineers". Guess who got that deal :-)
Huh? My Samsung NC10 netbook with XP on there routinely yields >8h per charge on its standard issue battery. Pretty hard to beat.
Then where did all of their profits come from? They competed against OS/2 .. won. Mac OS ... won. Linux couldn't make much of a dent either. Literally every office at clients I've ever been to runs MS-Office. The old competitors in that area (Wordstar, Wordperfect, Lotus) .. gone.
But who really does that?
Sorry, but I am a bit doubtful there.
What for? Tried it, wasn't all that useful. Much of the stuff that I need to earn a living will not run on Linux. Including some hardware, and that's where you can really get yourself into a pickle.
I remember when much of this also happened in the US, to great fanfare. And then ... client said that all files must be in the newest MS-Office format because the folks on the hill said so.
That would land MS in court all over Europe. They have a lot of money but not this much.
[...]-- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
I'm typing this on a Linux box (CentOS 6 x86_64, 16 cores and 150 Gflops, but I digress). ;) (*) I have several others in various states of functioning. So I'm generally a fan.
I like Linux for many of the above-mentioned reasons, but unless you're configuring a bog-simple client, it ain't as easy as all that. Stuff clobbers other stuff, you wind up going all over the Web grovelling through various forum postings in obscure places to find out that if (to name a recent example) your machine runs out of batteries while suspended, the reason the wifi is kaput when you reboot is that there's this little flag file buried someplace that says "wifi is off". Delete the file, write a little script to do it for me next time, and all is okay. (Until the next one crops up, which it's going to.)
The interaction of Samba and CUPS is evil as well, and SELINUX, well, don't get me started. :(
One of the virtues of Windows is that there are folks whose job it is to make sure everything plays nicely together, do regression testing, and so on.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
(*) This box also has XP 32-bit and Win 7 64-bit running under KVM/Qemu. (I'd have OS/2 on it as well, but that only runs under VirtualBox, and you can't mix VirtualBox and KVM on the same machine, more's the pity.)
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aka UNIX. Now add in the openness of Linux's source code. I've already mentioned the *no hidden gotchas* thing.
Now imagine you weren't running M$'s notoriously bloated code with their infamous *multiple instances of the SAME function at MULTIPLE levels in the stack*.
C'mon, you're not *that* naive. IBM handed them a monopoly on Day 1. ...which they continued/extended via criminal activities:
Nope. IBM forfeited. They shot themselves in the foot
--again--when they included Windoze compatibility.
If you call 6% of the market "won". ...and Apple did it by building their own hardware. Whole different ballpark.
Well, by playing the "mustn't damage the brand" card which M$ includes in NDAs, M$ monkeywrenched the supply chain. e.g. when WalMart had their Everest green computers which ran (Ubuntu-based) gOS, those were flying out the door. ...then M$'s lawyers showed up.
**You can't display the competitors' stuff beside ours.**When you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. The list of M$ "partners" who have died of flea-borne fever is long.
Hmmm. Wonder why? There's a case that's back in court now: M$ advocated M$'s promised new APIs to WordPerfect. WP built their product around those. When Win95 shipped--surprise--those APIs weren't included; WP had to start all over. ...meanwhile M$ and its "preferred partners" were using the **SECRET** APIs M$ had in its back pocket.
The takeaway: When your "partner" is MSFT, expect to get stabbed in the back. (How interesting that M$ codenamed one of its products "Capone".)
The guys who are looking to eat your lunch.
That's called "whistling in the dark". See "lunch", above.
Remember this thread the next time Windoze takes a dump on you.
Even if you run Windoze, Linux offers an advantage. Windoze actually runs faster and smoother in a VM under Linux. When Windoze implodes, recovery via "snapshots" is much easier too.
...then again, Linux supports more devices than *any* OS, so folks should gauge accordingly.
I've seen plenty of hardware that wasn't supported under one version of Windoze or another, so I don't put much stock in the anti-Linux handwaving there. ...and once something works under Linux, it's supported FOREVER.
That's odd, I don't remember that happening in the USA.
I *especially* don't remember that.
...immediately making them incompatible with *other* versions of M$Office. OOo/LO has long been the solution to this M$ foot-shooting. Screw Wintel and its treadmill. ...and damn to hellfire those people who can't learn to set the defaults on their software to something non-stupid.
For an EoL announced years ago? Get real.
...and the M$ products are dirt-simple, of course. Yeah, right.
Samba is FOSS trying to zero-in on M$'s SMB "specification" (a well-known broken-by-design moving-target M$ technology).
Why doesn't it Just Work(tm) then? Why is it such a steaming pile? Why does it take M$ **months** to patch something? Why can't they build stuff that doesn't suck in the first place?
The incompatibility of M$Office with other versions of M$Office has been mentioned multiple times already in this thread.
I also mentioned the
*implements the SAME thing MULTIPLE places in the stack* thing. Not impressed with M$'s "army of talented specialists". . . [1] Don't you just love the way M$ continually gives non-searchable names to things?
Then some of the software on there and some of the hardware I need to connect during my jobs would quit running. Not so cool.
Then MS must have had rather cunning business strategies, right?
Quote "The DOJ announced on September 6, 2001 that it was no longer seeking to break up Microsoft and would instead seek a lesser antitrust penalty."
Now when does the DOJ usually throw down their cards and offer a settlement or something like that?
They sure have not always behaved what I'd call ethical and I am not much of a fan of MS, mostly on account of poor software quality, buggy releases and such. But whether we like it or not they have become and will, for the foreseeable future, remain the 800lbs Gorilla in the world of software.
Now why do you think they did that?
6% of the market is in the noise. MS holds well over 80%.
Strange. I never knew anyone who had a Walmart computer that did not run on Windows. And I get around a bit, unfortunately people often ask me to fix their 'puter.
Walmart is a Goliath that most certainly could have told MS to go fly a kite. When they don't that then there's a reason and that can usually be summed up in one symbol: $. As in sales figures.
T'is what most 800lbs gorillas do.
They can keep looking all day long. In order for them to eat my lunch
99%+ of engineers first need to get 20+ years of analog enperience under their belt. So I am rather at ease about anyone eating my lunch :-)
There are a lot of smart engineers there but first they need a less restrictive business climate. Have you ever talked to a Brazilian or Indian enterpreneur about the humongous "fees" they have to pay just for buy something at Digikey and having it clear customs? I wish them the best, truly, but unfortunately I don't see much improvement in that domain.
Windows never really took a bad dump on me. MS application software, very different thing. MS-Works 8 crashes all the time. The solution: Use an older version such as MS-Works 6 -> problem solved. Same goes for other office software. And naturally, I never touched Vista or Win 7, not even with a 10ft pole.
I can't even count anymore how often people hit the wall with that strategy. Typically some USB-driven equipment would steadfastly refuse to run. Then they'd spend hours and hours trying to patch this, that and the other thing, to no avail. I simply don't have the time for that. It has to be like with the SignalHound I just received. It's rather demanding WRT USB data transfers and processor load. Plugged it in ->
woiks. Fresh out of the box, and that's how I need it.
Even it that were so which I doubt, I need it to run _all_ _my_ devices. Not some, or many others I don't need.
The topper was this: Engineer asked for a USB button, where a user could press that and the computer could register this press of the button. Simple, right? Just a button with a USB cable. Found one for around $4. They could not make it run because Linux didn't jibe with its USB connection.
Or only until the next fork :-)
I do remember. Press conferences, lofty goals put forth, the usual :-)
Yup :-(
Well, OO ain't that great in this respect either. If you use a blank new sheet and then store, it always defaults to some open data format that nobody else seems to be able to read. I always store my stuff in *.doc
97-compatible because everyone can read that. But in OO you have to select that from a pull-down menu in the box that comes upon hitting "Save as".Reality in much of Europe is this: A company cannot take back ownership of a product once sold. Software delivered with a computer is considered "owned" by their law, not leased. And that's the key. MS is painfully aware of this ruling. Whether it is a just ruling or not it dashes much of the EULA language. Essentially makes EULAs null and void. If they violate that they'll be in court in Brussels. And I bet they don't want to experience that again.
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Well, it usually does :-)
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For a sufficiently restricted definition of "gotcha".
I use a lot of old software, which works on DOS and Windows because the executables are mostly statically linked. Old Linux code suffers bit rot because of incompatible libraries. Case in point: anything relying on FFTW version 1 or 2, which aren't shipped with current distros. Eventually you have to customize the entire operating system, which makes a Red Queen's race seem easy.
As I say, I use Linux daily, but this whole unbalanced fanboi thing you have going is persuading nobody but you.
I started using and programming with OS/2 in April 1992, when Version
2.0 came out. I worked at IBM Research at that point, but I'm still a fan.The reason IBM got out of that business is that they never managed to make any money in PCs, hardware or software. They had other fish to fry.
You're kidding, right? This machine has two Qemu/KVM virtual machines with different versions of Windows, because Wine won't run some of the programs that I need. Administering three OSes instead of one is _not_ a win.
Plus it's easy enough to back up a single-OS machine.
*Riiiiiiggggghhhhhttttt.* Because all those Chinese guys are all just *raring* to write and support Linux drivers for some trivially small part of their low-margin market. You gotta hand it to those guys, they aren't in it for the money. ;)In your dreams. In reality it's supported until it dies due to bit rot in some apparently unrelated library, and nobody cares about fixing it. See the dynamic linking problem above.
Linux, like so much of the software world, is fashion-driven, and as Ambrose Bierce defined it in *The Devil's Dictionary*,
"Fashion: That which becomes unfashionable."
Like old DOS software! I am _so_ there!
You buy it, you turn it on, it works. Otherwise you take it back. Good luck doing that with a Linux box.
It's the CUPS/Samba interaction that's so completely broken. Microsoft had something to do with CUPS? Could have fooled me.
It more or less does. I very rarely have to grovel all over the Web to find a "MakeYourKeyboardWorkProperlyHOWTO".
Software gets better and worse. So do cars, storm windows, grass seed, and doughnuts. So what? Do you really want to have to defend every piece of FOSS as a paragon of the art? Because that's how you're setting yourself up.
Got an example? (Template resolution problems don't count.) I don't doubt that big code bases hide lots of sins, but I _do_ doubt that you have access to Microsoft's code base.
Never had a problem like that that I can remember.
As I say, I'm a regular Linux user, and not a big MS fan, but your overstatement of your case is comical.
No, wait, I get it...you actually work for MS, right? You're trying to discredit Linux by making all of us regular Linux users look like irrational fanbois!
Positively Fiendish!
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
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Go to Tools -> Options -> Load/Save -> General and you can change the default document save type under "Always save as".
Too bad M$'s massive intelligence doesn't prevent them from producing easily-infected stuff. ...and I'm reminded of the "cunning stunts" line
--and wondering if churchgoers know that one. . .
iow: Bush administration.
The last Executive who wasn't *obviously* in the pocket of the highest bidder was Clinton, whose DoJ filed the case. In a post-Citizens United world, I don't hold my breath waiting for regulators to do their jobs. My opinion of Eric Holder would turn the air blue.
...and the consent decree ran out a couple of months ago; we will soon see an uptick in scummy behavior from M$. . .
Certainly for a for-profit outfit.
Actually, last March, Forbes put M$'s attach rate at 72% and reiterated that that falls by more than 2 percentage points each year, so drop another point to this date. Note that that leaves 13% and gaining for FOSS, mostly Linux. . .
You broke the comment one line too early.
There we are. Freedom of choice got crushed quickly by the Borg
--almost as quickly as WalMart sold out of Linux-based computers.
...if they thought that **freedom** was worth the fight. Freedom, however, has zero intersection with crony capitalism.
Bingo. ...and damn the whole *do the right thing for customers' choice* notion. "Any color, as long as it's black." . .
Lie, cheat, and steal; stab "partners" in the back. ...and these are the folks you want to do business with, even extending the reach of their technologies?? . .
I thought that might be the response. 8-) . .
I guess not. ...but now I'm thinking the gov't guys *here* are likely working on some kind of similar notion for domestic purchases. . .
You dog. Gloat about it.
Ah, there we go. 8-)
...and after XP EoLs?? . .
I've read similar horror stories about USB under Win7. Combine the accounts and it points to crappy manufacturers doing half-assed work. . .
It is.
Think about it a moment. Every few years, Windoze adopts an entirely new device driver model and old gear becomes obsolete WRT Windoze. It's planned that way. OTOH, the Linux Driver Project makes sure that once something is supported, it *stays* supported. See "FOUR HUNDRED guys", below.
Keep your fingers crossed that your luck holds. ...and hope you don't ever need to run any legacy hardware.
The XP EoL may also be a jarring experience for you and your hardware. ...or are you planning to run software without any new security patches?
See "crappy manufacturers doing half-assed work", above.
Mr. Manufacturer, the Linux Driver Project has FOUR HUNDRED guys waiting in line and willing to write a device driver for your crap. If you are don't take advantage of this $0 labor force, you are an IDIOT. People who buy your crap are idiots as well.
Does that about cover it? . .
People flapping their gums. Politicians at that. The antithesis of "happened".
Now **THIS** is more than talk:
Munich's goal is to gain CONTROL over their software ecosystem. (Having source code for everything they run.) Lower cost is just icing on the cake. Ballmer infamously interrupted his vacation to offer them cut-rate wares; the City Fathers told him to pound sand.
More people flapping their gums. Not in the USA either.
This guy converted his city in Florida (y'know, in the USA) and did it LAST CENTURY.
That's not "happened" either. What you are doing is called "WinTrolling".
It doesn't allow folks to alter the default Save format? You're full of it.
Unless your correspondents pull their heads out of their asses and set the default to something **appropriate** for the recipient.
1) There are plenty of apps that will read OpenDocument Format. 2) Most of them are gratis and libre. 3) Norway has mandated that gov't business be done using ODF. Malaysia has converted to open standards as well. Open, eternally-readable formats: It's the wave of the future.4) ODF is also a *compressed* format, so disk storage requirements and the bandwidth used by email attachments are impacted accordingly.
I like the sound of that. I wonder how long M$ can drag that out in court.
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