NSW, Australia, criminalises the possession of 3D printable gun designs.

Nov 18, 2015 93 Replies

I didn't say I was going to _do_ it -- it's just what they would deserve if they actually pass the measure into law.

Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com

Is gun violence a problem in Australia?

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Twenty minutes or less, and the designing has been done.

Does Australia have its equivalent of our three-letter-agencies that make a note in your dossier if you Google "zip gun"?

How about the availability/licensing of ammo and/or its constituents? (Th at's basically rhetorical- I don't feel like Googling it.) Making a gun is easy but ammo is trickier, though anyone who keeps chicken and knows the ri ght chemistry can make their own gunpowder.

OTOH many of us could probably whip up a usable coilgun or railgun in a w eek. (I'm not going to bother Googling whether those are covered too.)

Mark L. Fergerson

Not usually - most of the population has been disarmed, after all. There are some gang related shootings - mostly of each other, but with some collateral damage.

Things got tightened up after the Port Arthur Massacre.

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Sylvia.

And the key statement is, Gangs still have guns, which means, unarmed people still get robbed, shot etc.

Your ruling parting are only worried about getting lead posion and want to be allowed to do as they please.

Crime only gets worse when the general public are not allowed to protect themselves. Mainly because the leaders actually don't care about you, only about themselves getting lead in the ass. Something happens in a community that involves guns, people get all emotional over it and all it takes is a very few to go crying to the GOV, which is what the GOV is waiting for, to remove the right for others to protect themselves.

It's a proven fact that more people die in just about everything else you can think of, but you don't see the GOV jumping in on that do you?

Poeple should get a damn back bone and pull their heads out of you know where. Because something is really stinking about this.

Jamie

The per-capita death rate from firearms is about 10 times higher in the USA compared with Australia, though it has to be conceded that a large slice of that is in the form of suicides. One would have to suspect that if a person is intent on committing suicide, then they will, and if a gun isn't available, they'll use some other way.

The 30 times difference in homicides using firearms is less easy to argue away - I would suspect that the majority of firearm homicides in the USA are spur of the moment things that wouldn't otherwise have occurred (i.e. by a different means) if a gun hadn't been available.

So while it's true that the disarmed population cannot protect itself against those villains and terrorists who obtain and use guns despite their illegality, the situation, at the moment, seems to be that the population is still safer overall.

That might change, of course, if Paris style events become commonplace.

Sylvia.

There are so many guns here that it's a practical impossibility to confiscate them all. The gangs and criminals will always have guns.

Plus, we have a Constitution that gives us the right to bear arms. Or arm bears. Or something.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 18:38:14 -0800, John Larkin Gave us:

With utter idiots like Trump coming onto the scene, tyranny is right around the corner.

Try to crash my door down and you family members will be giving your eulogy.

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But not very often. The US had 336 "mass shootings" in 2014 - eleven of the m with five or more people killed. It does have 15 times the population, bu t we do seem to be doing something right.

Nobody wants to get shot. I don't think that Australian politicians are any more enthusiastic about not getting shot than the rest of the population.

They would like to do as they please, but a free press tends to crimp their behavior pretty effectively. The ex-Speaker of the house of representative s - Bronwyn Bishop - like to hire helicopters at tax-paper expense to get f rom suburb to suburb. She didn't last long after that preference became fro nt-page news.

A popular claim by right-wingers. Nobody has ever been able to find convinc ing statistical evidence to back it up.

The leaders care desperately about being seen as caring about you, whether they give a s*it or not. Jamie is just too dumb to understand what that mea ns.

Guns don't protect worth a damn. The person most likely to be killed by a g un you own is you - generally by your own hand - closely followed by your n earest and dearest. Home invaders are way less likely victims.

The NRA follows the US newspapers right across the country, and any gun own er who shoots a burglar gets national publicity. The rather more frequent o ccurrence of shooting a family member after mistaking them for a burglar ge ts rather less attention.

Suicide and car accidents kill rather more people than murder, and there ar e government initiatives to reduce both. Getting guns out of the house does make successful suicide less likely - shooting yourself works faster and m ore reliably than taking an overdose.

Well, we know exactly where Jamie's head is stuck, and we know exactly what he is smelling.

Bill Sloman, Sydney

The second amendment does talk about a well-regulated militia, but the amendment was loosely drafted, so you can own guns without knowing how to handle them safely, or how to cooperate to use them effectively.

Quite how the existence of an untrained and undisciplined armed rabble contributes to the security of a free state is not one the questions that the National Rifle Association bothers answering.

Bill Sloman, Sydney

He is a buffoon, but we've had worse Presidents in my lifetime.

I have nothing but the highest respect for your door.

Trump concerns me too.

He talks about things beyond a President's constitutional power, like slapping tariffs on Ford if they locate in Mexico. That would violate the NAFTA treaty, AIUI.

And he's mentioned shutting down mosques. We don't do that. We arrest and prosecute criminals, on probable cause. We close criminal enterprises if they are criminal enterprises.(*) We do *not* close places of worship.

(*) Unless they're run as tax-free charities by Clintons.

Trump doesn't seem to understand a president's role and proper limits in our system.

OTOH, neither does Hillary...but she really belongs in the Big House rather than the White House.

Cheers, James Arthur

Name one.

And a prudent regard for his own skin.

Bill Sloman, Sydney

Speaking of buffoons, Bernie Sanders opined a ways back that cervical cancer was in part due to too few orgasms. (One assumes Bernie has the 'cure.')

If Bernie Sanders is elected, he'll be the first socialist president elected in the United States....since 2008.

Yep.

Cheers, James Arthur

On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:56:36 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman Gave us:

I want him to explain how if a pyramid is 98% sandstone, where were the Egyptians storing the wheat?

Bwuahahahahahaha!

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For James Arthur's definition of "socialist", which is anybody to the left of Genghis Khan.

Granting James Arthur's rather distorted view of the political spectrum - e verybody to the left of Genghis Khan is squeezed up into a thin slice calle d "extreme left" he could be forgiven (by somebody more generous than me) f or confusing socialism with communism at one extreme and US Democrats at th e other.

It may be a forgivable error - granting the sad state of his political opin ions - but its still pretty spectacular.

Bill Sloman, Sydney > > > Try to crash my door down and you family members will be giving your > > >eulogy. > > > > I have nothing but the highest respect for your door. > > Yep. > > Cheers, > James Arthur

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In which case it's legitimate political persecution, at least in James Arth ur's distinctly partisan opinion.

Trump doesn't understand much, which is presumably why the Republican rank- and-file find him appealing.

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The Republican Party has long felt that the Clintons belong in jail, but Ke n Starr spent a long time and lot of money trying validate this opinion, an d got absolutely nowhere.

James Arthur has taken his usual approach this fairly obvious piece of evid ence, and ignored it. Whoever brainwashed him did a great job. Nelson had t o put his telescope to his blind eye to ignore what was staring him in the face, but in James Arthur the blinkers were installed rather further in.

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ke a note in your dossier if you Google "zip gun"?

Probably. ASIO is silly enough to make the information providers record whe re you surfed to to. On the other hand, they got 18 warning that the perpet rator of our most recent terrorist event seemed to have gotten battier shor tly before he held a bunch of hostages for sixteen hours before shooting on e of them and getting shot when the police promptly moved in (and the polic e managed to shoot four of the hostages, one fatally, as well as one of the ir own, while moving in).

The warnings were considered, but the ASIO decision was that he was still j ust batty, rather than dangerous.

Bill Sloman, Sydney

Socialist are socialists because they have fundamental defects in their ability to reason.

The main cause of cervical cancer is sexually-transmitted papilloma viruses, generally acquired by having many sexual partners. Men get and transmit those viruses (so boys and girls should both have their shots) but it doesn't kill men.

Hillary is Too Big To Jail.

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