NP0, stacked film cap orientation

Apr 13, 2017 12 Replies

Do manufacturers (or any manufacturer) unambiguously specify which terminal is "outside" on such SMT caps?



I don't see it on the Panasonic Stacked film or Samsung MLCC datasheets I looked at.



Is outside on the bottom also outside on the top, or does that vary?


--sp



Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

We've found that surface-mount stacked film caps tend to fall apart when soldered and washed.

The ends are usually visually symmetrical, so there's no way to identify things.

This one is falling apart already!

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John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc lunatic fringe electronics

Ugh. Thanks for reminding me of the last time I had to rework a precision anti-aliasing filter. 8-(

I guess the best solution is to use NP0 caps so small nobody would dare try to run a trace under them.

--sp

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

Tell them not to do that. Or make them run a ground.

We run traces under 0805s and sometimes 0603s.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc lunatic fringe electronics

I have seen some PDFs that indicate (say) left terminal being the "wrap-around". I think that typical construction is like taking your fingers and interleaving them, making (say) left terminal being the top foil. Check the PDFs carefully; different manufacturers will do this differently even among capacitive lines and values.

What's the reason?

Best regards, Piotr

Fantastic, was that an April 1st joke which someone forgot to remove?

I just forwarded it to a colleague who's a bit of capacitor specialist suggesting we might consider using it and he Skyped me back wanting to know what was so great about it. Then he clicked on the image.

Cheers

Clive

That's a riot. At least it's truth in advertising!

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

Sort of like pre-washed jeans, with the knees ripped out.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc lunatic fringe electronics

Troubleshooting is so much easier when you know in advance which part is dead.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

The layers aren't stuck together very well. They seem to be made in long bars and then sawed up into individual caps. Most are sold like that, no side sealing. They delaminate and water can get inside and cause electrical leakage. Nasty little things.

When I need film caps, I usually go through-hole with epoxy-dipped parts.

This works ok,

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but manufacturing has to be very careful with these, reflow temp and washing and inspection.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

They are usable (well, not the pre-damaged ones) but you've got to be very careful about the assembly process. Never water wash if leakage matters.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Hardware expands to fill available space?

Thank you,

Don Kuenz KB7RPU

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