Most awful hack job, but my kid likes it

The thing I miss most from the American (and British) politicians, and many of the posters here, is the ability to look at a conflict from the other side. You might not agree with the other side, but a bit of thought as to how things look from their point of view makes an enormous difference in settling any disagreement. After all, you do want all sides to reach agreement, don't you?

After continual harassment and oppression from the West (lead by the USA, with Britain following and the rest of the West tacitly agreeing) and from Western supported regimes, freedom fighters ("one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter") tried fighting back by bombing a ship. Since the USA refused to do the right thing and pull out, they bombed an embassy. Since the USA still refused to listen, they had no choice but to get serious, and make a bit to hit the USA where it hurt most - in the purse. It cost thousands of innocent lives (first westerners in the USA, then Afghans and Iraqis), but that's collateral damage in the war.

I don't agree with al Quida's aims or their methods - but I don't agree with the USA's aims or methods either. But I know for sure that the conflicts will *never* stop until each side starts looking at things from the other side's point of view. There is little doubt that bin Laden knows far more about the American way of thinking than vice versa

- he has had plenty of contact with Americans over the last twenty years, and as a result has been playing Bush for a fool.

*Sensible* responses to terrorist acts reduces terrorism. Every terrorism expert in the world will tell you that the Iraq war has resulted in far more terrorists, who are better motivated, have better training opportunities, and have more popular support than before the war. Arguably the invasion of Afghanistan was a sensible move to combat terrorism, if it had been carried through properly instead of dropped half way when Bush changed attention to his pet hate.

There are two reasons why there have been no new terrorist attacks in the USA, and only minor "reminder" attacks in other countries (London and Madrid victims might not consider the attacks "minor", but compared to what they could easily have been, they were minor). First, there is no need - their aim is to economically damage the USA and to alienate it from its allies. The US administration is currently doing this to itself at such a rate that al Quida don't want to unbalance it. Secondly, a major attack on the US would increase sympathy for it, which would be counter-productive.

If you think that the USA's attack on Iraq has made the USA, or the world in general, safer in any way, then you really are living in a box. Al Quida could easily cause all sorts of attacks on the USA if they choose - the attacks on London were a demonstration of this power.

And for your information, it is the USA who is the bully that was hit in the face. It hasn't backed down yet - we can only hope that the other children will have the courage to persuade him to mend his ways before a victim brings a knife to the schoolyard.

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David Brown
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Reply to
David Brown

Accepted - I should have restricted it to USA leadership or top politicians. In fact, that applies to politicians throughout the world

- maybe the majority of small local politicians are better.

This is usenet - IMHO is taken for granted.

Reply to
David Brown

snippage

That's as accurate a representation of radical Islamist goals as you're likely to find. But from what I've seen posted here lately, Gunner, you're casting pearls before swine. And more's the pity.

Garrett Fulton

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gfulton

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But won't all the blue-nosed tree-hugging leftist weenies riot when they are disenfranchised ?:-)

...Jim Thompson

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Reply to
Jim Thompson

I think you already know the answer to that one. ;-)

Cheers! Rich

Reply to
Richard the Dreaded Libertaria

I've just checked the presidential timeline, and it shows that the proximate cause of of the 9/11 attack(s) was the election of George W. Bush:

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Cheers! Rich

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Richard the Dreaded Libertaria

No, they don't. They're in the grip of terminal brain lock, and the only option they allow their little imprisoned mind to acknowledge is to kill all of "them".

Thanks, Rich

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Richard the Dreaded Libertaria

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OK, then, by extension the real cause of the attack was our failure to elect algore?

That's one more example of why we will some day require an IQ test before granting the privilege to vote.

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George Willer

I don't think it is specified in the NEC, but any thoughtful person will mount a receptacle with the ground side up, as we've been doing for many years. Unfortunately, many electricians aren't thoughtful. The industry providing most of the devices isn't very helpful... showing them both ways in their literature.

Many manufacturers even make angled plugs that have the ground prong the wrong way, so the cord goes up instead of down. That isn't helpful.

I know of a large >> Actually, Spehro, in some places putting the receptacle on its side

Reply to
George Willer

Thanks; far as I know that's original.

Reply to
Dave Hinz

No, that's a red herring. Clinton's ineffective responses to terrorist acts caused them to become emboldened, and escalate, and as a result we have 9/11. Did Clinton cause it? Of course not. Did Clinton's ineffective responses contribute to the environment that made it possible? Absolutely.

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Dave Hinz

Actually we are a lot safer with so many of Al Quidas management and rank and file having become maggot food.

Your opinion is noted. And you seem to forget that Wahabism wants to not only bring a knife to the schoolyard..but wants to cut off your head, the head of your wife and children, your dog and your gerbil, then convert any survivors to miltitant Islam.

And that Davie..is the gorilla in the china shop, no matter what buffoonish opinion you hold.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Gunner Asch

Odd..I see lots of opinion pieces, details of detainee policies, but nothing about official US policies on torture. Cant you produce an Executive order or something?

Ill be waiting for proof of your claims about Official US policy approval on "torture"

Btw Dave...what do you define as torture?

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Gunner Asch

Thats not MY claim, nor is it my claim that the Evil Republicans having kept the Slickster tied up, caused 9-11 either.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Gunner Asch

Indeed

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Gunner Asch

than exported and exacerbated on European and Near

Mullens is right up there with Bemelman and Sloman... all out of the same blue-nosed tree-hugging leftist weenie socialist cookie cutter... just like Win Hill ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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|  James E.Thompson, P.E.                           |    mens     |
|  Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
|  Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC\'s and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
|  Phoenix, Arizona            Voice:(480)460-2350  |             |
|  E-mail Address at Website     Fax:(480)460-2142  |  Brass Rat  |
|       http://www.analog-innovations.com           |    1962     |
             
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Jim Thompson

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Well, I do so want it to be true (that Dubya caused 9/11), but I'm sure it's a little more involved than that.

The point was to make a point by using the same tactics as the antismokerist epidemiologists that got smoking practically banned by doing the same thing, or worse - I haven't checked the numbers lately, but I've heard that as smoking rates have declined, cancer rates have remained steady or increased, along with obesity, diabetes, asthma - yes, as smoking has decreased, asthma has increased! and so on. But I've known all along that they are idologues and so will find a way to "prove" their point. (the antismokerists, that is.)

But it does kinda show how logic flies out the window when you're on a crusade.

Thanks! Rich

Reply to
Richard the Dreaded Libertaria

Well, as much as I disagree with about half of your politics, I really like your honesty.

I agree that the socialist tobacco nazi's are whacked. People need to show personal responsibility. If they choose to smoke, they should be able to smoke, same as alcohol.

Tillman

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tillius

cutter...

don't forget slaver elistist.

Tillman

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tillius

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