Microvoltage array

Not a chance. A detailed true economic analysis will reveal a humongous net energy sink.

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On a sunny day (Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:03:10 GMT) it happened "Homer J Simpson" wrote in :

You have to start small I think (Watts) :-)

On a sunny day (Sat, 25 Nov 2006 12:59:00 -0700) it happened Don Lancaster wrote in :

You said in 2001 or so they would be here now. I bought a bike LED front light, wanted to use the water proof housing to build a rear view camera for my motorbike. But the LCD monitor died after I put 12 V on the composite video in, so the LED light still is a LED light (blue), the camera does the front door.... But I would not want that LED light to replace the other lights in my house. And that is all that you can get, and expensive too. I know about the white power LEDs, but hey, PL fluorescents that simply fit in existing lights are only 2 Euro (2.6$), so who cares.

I will start reading it when I can but that stuff for the same or less (preferably less) then 2.6$, and the quality will have to be betetr or equal too. Reality check.

Time to stop shopping at Staples... clearly a leftist weenie company that believes that AlGor has some semblance of sanity ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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I love to cook with wine.      Sometimes I even put it in the food.

so whats wrong with this?

:-)

martin

The correct version appears at

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Often it is better to appear to be green than to actually do it. See GM and "Who killed the electric car?"

All I can see is qualitative drivel. How much power can one of their blade units generate in what sort of wind? What does it cost?

I'd be shocked if these things came within factor of 10 of making economic sense. You'd do a lot better spending your money on building efficiency.

The numbers matter here.

John

For sure! Our "new" (now here 12 years) house is so much better insulated than the old one, that our energy costs are 1/3 of what they were... and with 22% larger floor space.

...Jim Thompson

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I love to cook with wine.      Sometimes I even put it in the food.

There are scaling rules that suggest it's very inefficient to go with small wind turbines.

You need to learn some basics about volts, amps, power, efficiency, an economics.

--- Something smells fishy about that.

If you want to release something into the wild, just do it. Disclose here, or anywhere, and don't apply for a patent within a year of the disclosure date and the material _will_ go into the public domain.

Hasn't your patent attorney advised you that such is the case?

Plus, if you want to release the device why do you need an attorney in the first place?

-- JF

I didn't know that for sure until I heard back from him today and feedback from everyone here.

He has of today. I'm preparing all of the material to release at once as he suggested.

So I don't get ahead of myself and make mistakes. Just being a little cautious.

No, it really isn't much harder than disclosing it. You really should disclose it in some place that it should be found on a search, like

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  Keith

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Does the wind ever stop forever?

If he\'s come up with a system where he can demonstrate that payback
will occur before maintenance costs eat his lunch and, therefore he
can show some gain, then he\'s a winner.

Thanks John, it's nice to see some more positive responses. I was beginning to wonder about you guys :) (rough crowd)

First, demonstrate that. What are the annual maintenance hours on 100,000 tiny wind generators?

I've been reading him for decades. You pissed me off in mere moments.

Wow, if this discussion has pissed you off (up to this point) you may want to get some help.

It would seem that the maintenance cost of tiny inexpensive generators would be calculated differently than for the large turbines. If the designs use COTS as much as possible and mass produced components where you would get bulk discounts then there are solutions to these issues.

Let's see. Four meters per second average wind speed is good for my area and many parts of the country. Which has an energy capability of 39 watts per square meter.

Best possible theoretical recovery would be 60 percent, and a smaller wind device more likely 20 percent. So about eight watts per square meter effective recovery for a wind device of one square meter area, or about a 44 inch or so diameter.

Total production in 24 hours would be 192 watthours per day. Or around two cents of electricity per day at ten cents per kilowatt hour avoided cost.

From

we see that $45.23 invested at ten years at ten percent amortizes out to two cents per day.

Thus there would be NO NET GAIN whatsoever if the wind generator cost more than $45.23. Assuming zero labor and installation and maint costs.

To be a reasonably worthwhile endeavor, the 44 inch windmill thus must sell for a lot less than ten dollars. Including regulator and synchronous inverter.

Smaller wind machines, of course, would have even more ludicrous economics.

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