LT Spice tx lines

Feb 23, 2015 10 Replies

I can't get a transmission line to accept an expression for the delay



Td={expr} Z0=50



Either I'm doing it wrong, or there is a fundamental causality violation or something that doesn't allow it.



Seems like a variable delay line is physically OK, but messy. You can certainly build one in real life.


John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing laser drivers and controllers jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Td={expr} Z0=50 will only work where "expr" is a fixed amount during the simulation.

If you're trying this inside of a loop, I'm sure it won't work. ...Jim Thompson

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Doesn't seem to. I have to build variable delays other ways.

I'm simulating a system that has to run for almost a second, and I'd like the max time step to be 5 ps, something like that. It does crazy things in auto mode, or at 50 ps max step size. At 5 ps, I might learn something useful in a year or two.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

In real life causality is imposed consistently, though, and charge is conserved. With a general expression for the delay, you could do all sorts of acausal things that would cause the simulation to diverge.

Also, in real life changing the delay rapidly will cause a large change in signal amplitude, e.g. if you reduce the capacitance per unit length, the voltage will go up to keep CV constant.

Probably a more physicsy approach would work.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

You might try an all-pass with a multiplier... works, at least for a single-tone sinusoid.

Digital, make an ideal one-shot.

Sometimes a breadboard is faster ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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"physicsy" ?>:-) ...Jim Thompson

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Yes, like an N-section variable LC, or possibly a big mux and binary-weighted tx lines.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

I'm using a simple analog ramp (diode, cap, current source) and a tanh() comparator.

Looks that way. Roughly 1e9 faster. I'm laying out a test board.

I can't post the Top Secret overall circuit, but I'll try to isolate one of the weird-behaving sections, for general amusement.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

The HP8133A pulse generator did that. It's full of inductor-varicap delay lines.

You can buy adjustable delay lines, sort of like wirewound pots with a slider wiper thing. The speed of moving the slider is of course well under the speed of light.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

I've used trombone lines a fair amount, back in me yoot.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

That works.

OK ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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