Not to mention, it's the one-bit multiplier suitable for double-balanced mixing...
It can be done by implementing a four-to-one MUX, and strapping the MUX inputs with 0 1 1 0, of course. You can also implement an inverter with a flip/flop, which gives truly simultaneous true and inverse outputs.
How about simply feeding A and A-bar into a 2 bit latch? Art
I do remember it. I saw it inside a TTL EXOR circuit, maybe the 7486. Two NPN's, E and B cross connected to open collector drivers (A and B), output taken from connected collectors, with a pull-up. At least it is symmetrical, but maybe not too fast.
A ---- E1 -- B2 pull-up | C1 -- C2 --+--- OUT
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Regards, Arie de Muynck
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Since you are rolling your own start with a 7474 D flop with /pre and /clr. That would give you your Q and /Q. Strip out the clk gates and just drive the /pre and /clr. The old data sheet for the SN7474 is still on the TI web site with the TTL schematic. The newer parts like the 74ahc74 have logic diagrams. What is your A->out timing budget?
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Does a non-inverting buffer add two propigation delays? Some little RC thing sounds dicey and I don't know if you can do a C when you roll your own.. (out of Silicon I assume)
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You could derive the latch signal from a delayed A and not need a clock. Art
And of course it needed some pull-ups on the O.C. drivers as well...
pull-up | A --+-- E1 -- B2 pull-up | pull-up C1 -- C2 --+--- OUT | B --+-- B1 -- E2
Arie
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Good point. Since chip is Mixed-Signal, delays are easy ;-) ...Jim Thompson
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Is there some problem with transmission gates...only asymmetry will be TLH-THL skew... Please view in a fixed-width font such as Courier.
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Please view in a fixed-width font such as Courier.
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Please post a picture of your wife. ;~) Art
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Not bad for 70 years old, huh ?:-) ...Jim Thompson
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An understatement for sure. Art
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I'm sure Google is shattered...If you have a Google account then a new menu pops up allowing you to report all that spam, and they actualy remove it within hours, so Google Groups ends up looking clean, if someone takes the time to report the spam that is.
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It is that sort of desire and annoyance that can keep things from causing trouble later. Good for you.
Cheers, John
Oh, much better would be to make a differential driver circuit. I'd suggest some relevant chips, but I think you said you were building it from primitives.
Jon
I'm doing a high-speed 3.3V to 5V translator, where "5V" may be just about anywhere 3V to 5.5V ;-)
But I think I've figured out a way to avoid the funny "lumpy" risetime I'm seeing. Looks like, rather than perfect delay match, sequencing delay mismatch depending on transition direction may smooth it out. ...Jim Thompson
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