Hydrogen from a AAA cell?

By about 100:1.

Not much of one. Most smog is caused by diesels, industries, and older cars.

But the fuel issue is

I don't think so.

Even better, I don't own a car. A car doesn't do enough of what I want from a vehicle, so I drive a pickup. BTW, I logged 50 miles over the last week which is pretty typical, so don't complain about my fuel consumption. Using technology is not (or even the best) way to deal with energy problems. Conservation is at the top of the list, just ask California.

Your car doesn't solve 100% of your transportation needs does it? You don't need two cars. You just need to acknowledge that no car does every task as well as others. You either buy a vehicle that doesn't do all tasks or one that does many of them poorly which in this case can include using too much fuel.

Lol! Everything you don't want to hear is a lie... you are too funny sometimes. I guess the various forms of air pollution are not anthropomorphic? Air pollution is just a line put forward by a bunch of lefty scientists (or as my friend puts it "pscientists")?

A lie.

Opps, yes, that is a lie, it was supposed to be "not deal with quite so easily".

Stupident!

You are a broken record playing a song of nonsense.

Or you got the other way with a flow battery where the liquid electrolyte can be stored externally to the electricity generating membrane. I think it's on an island near Tasmania where they're trying a Vanadium flow battery to provide a low level of baseload to back up their wind power.

Back in January there was some publicity of a flow battery developed at Harvard that uses organic electrolyte instead of the current (way too expensive) Vanadium chemistry. Quinone/Hydroquinone or something like that. Claims were made that operating costs could be as low as 1/4 cent US per kilowatt/hour (CBC Radio-One Quirks and Quarks for January 18, 2014, I think).

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You were exactly the person I was thinking of when I wrote that. All of this is moot to you and I. We won't be driving when electric vehicles are improved enough and the price drops enough that they are the common mode of transport rather than gas or diesel. lol

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Nope, big users are billed per unit energy just like you and me. They also can do plenty of things to even out the usage throughout the day. Larger capacity services have higher billing rates, thus they have incentive to keep the usage even.

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No problem. I can't do "cogent" on most electronic design topics, so it's nice to occasionally get to contribute something to this eternal cocktail party.

Well, I never expected to live to be 300.

The physics is against electric cars. They have to carry all the reactants and all the waste products, whereas a gas car carries only one reactant. The energy density of batteries is tiny compared to the energy density of gasoline.

The equivalent charge rate of a gasoline pump is hundreds of times the power that can be shoved into an electric car, so charge times will always be long.

Batteries currently work poorly when cold, or hot, and need to be replaced, at great expense, several times in the life of the vehicle.

Charging a hundred million cars would crush the power grid.

The internal-combustion car is not a problem that needs to be fixed.

The momentum is still there, but if it isn't coupled to the electric system, it's not going to do you any good. Suddenly take your foot off the gas in a car with a manual transmission while driving at speed, then repeat the exercise with an automatic. That's the difference.

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Get numeric. Calculate the energy of the rotating blades. Then you will know.

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electric cars are inevitable. Most of the people arguing about this won't really be affected... they won't be driving in another 10 or 20 years when electric dominates... lol

this is moot to you and I. We won't be driving when electric vehicles are improved enough and the price drops enough that they are the common mode of transport rather than gas or diesel. lol

As is obvious from your attitude to anthropogenic global warming.

reactants and all the waste products, whereas a gas car carries only one re actant. The energy density of batteries is tiny compared to the energy density of gasoline.

Stealing oxygen from the atmosphere does help gasoline-powered cars looks g ood. Dumping CO2 into the atmosphere is convenient, but not sustainable.

Physics isn't helping electric cars, but they are already good enough for a lot of applications, if more expensive than their fossil-fueled competitio n. Sadly, in the long term, non-polluting trumps cheap, because the damage done by the pollution is - in the long term - more expensive than tooling u p for electric cars.

wer that can be shoved into an electric car, so charge times will always be long.

But not so long as to be impractical.

d, at great expense, several times in the life of the vehicle.

So did the first internal combustion engines. Batteries are getting better, and will probably get better rather faster when the market for better batt eries gets bigger.

Of course. This has been known for a few decades - I recall the issue of th e Proceedings of the IEEE which spelled this out in detail, which places it in the 1970's, back when I had easy access to the Proceedings of the IEEE. The power grid can be fixed more easily - and more cheaply - than the atmo sphere.

Sadly, it is. You just don't know enough to realise why.

You are confused about the physics. The analogy doesn't hold. In the case of the car the engine goes from driving to braking. In the case of the windmill it goes from the wind turning the generator to the momentum of the blades turning the generator... same direction of energy flow but slowing slightly as the energy of the blades is drained off.

BTW, not all automatics free wheel. I have driven a number of them that slow the vehicle appreciably when you take your foot off the gas.

A good friend who worked at a plant was involved in their conversion to a sequencer circuit to start several motors sequentially because they were getting very large electric bills due to the peak draw of them all starting at once. They would not have spent the money to retrofit the equipment if there was no financial incentive from the power company.

LOL! Stick to your day job... God, you can't make this stuff up!

So you admit to being a hypocrite. You could use an electric, with that little usage. Better yet, don't own a car at all. Rent/cab.

For personal use, yes.

Idiot. One car can't be in two places. I have two vehicles because there are two of us. My wife has the convertible and I have a truck. Neither use is served by an electric and will never be.

No, I'd rather you didn't lie. But then you wouldn't be a lefty.

You're lying again, but you are a lefty.

That's worse. Energy is a political problem, one caused by lefties.

Lefties make up their facts and the meaning of the words they use, I suppose it was just a matter of time until they started making up the words themselves.

Tell you what. You stop telling lies and I'll stop pointing them out.

You are such a trip, lol. I am 25 miles from anything like a real town where they would have cabs and did you miss when I said my car was a "truck"? I haul stuff in it often, much too often to borrow someone else's truck. How many electric pickups are there?

So you *never* need to use any other transportation? I find that hard to believe. You are used to living with the limitations of your car and are unwilling to consider learning to live with different limitations. I would be very willing to give an all electric car a try, but it would have to be a second car for me. Right now with my bad hip I actually prefer getting in and out of my truck rather than a car, so the second car is not in the near future. Maybe next year.

I'm about done discussing this with you. Aside from your irresistible urge to always insult people you are very inconsistent with your statements. In this thread you responded, "So I have to buy two? Yes, absurd!" So now you tell me you already have two cars. That is the ideal situation, one gas guzzler for when you need the range or the room or what ever and one electric for most of the daily use. Even if two of you are using the two vehicles, that would be a better arrangement.

More reflex.

You just can't discuss the actual topic. You should see a doctor about this problem.

If you mean people who want to clean up the air they breath and not be dependent on foreign oil, then yes, there are *lots* of lefties. In fact the country is dominated by the lefties.

And you can't discuss anything because every other word from your mouth (or keyboard) is "lie!" rather than a discussion.

See, you don't have anything to say, so I guess this is the end of the conversation. :)

An electric pickup is ideal. Fill the bed with batteries.

Then it's not a pickup anymore, its a fullup. ;)

So move closer to town, hypocrite. You're always telling others what they must do but you're unwilling to do it yourself. Typical lefty.

In ten years, once, two years ago to a family reunion. If it had been longer than two days, I would have driven to Ohio. I'll have fly again next week (I hope) up to Vermont to drive my wife's car back but that's a one-time thing, too. I'd *much* rather drive than fly.

You *always* find facts hard to believe. It's the lefty in you.

What? No, I don't want a damned electric car that has less than a hundred mile range. I'd have a long walk at least once a month.

But you want everyone else to buy a second car, just so they can satisfy your need for control. Hypocrite!

Because you've lost. As is always the case. Don't go away mad...

You're lying, but you always do.

Two where one works. I do have different needs but they can be bet for two people with two cars. You want me to buy four but are unwilling to take your own medicine. Hypocrite!

In the family, yes. I suppose the whole concept of a "family" is foreign to a lefty but some of us do believe in them. Each of us has a vehicle and they were chosen to cover the needs of both of us. An electric would be a "spare". Yes, *absurd*. ...but absurd things aren't unexpected from absurd people.

...and I'm going to take a, not so gas friendly, pickup truck on a

Telling others how they must live their lives, again, eh hypocrite? That is the lefty way.

Yes, truth is reflexive. You should try it.

The topic is the fact that you're lying. I just pointed it out.

As I said, you stop lying and I'll stop pointing them out. Deal?

You're lying again. It's easy to tell. You're using your keyboard.

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