Ford E-Transit

Yes, nobody really believe them that Tesla will open up their chargers, and nobody really care.

Not for CT, which is $0.00. About even for CP, below 60% or 30 min.

At least until we have somebody else at the White House, or my death, whichever is earlier.

Lol! Viewing the world only through your eyes again. The companies that will pay them huge bucks clearly care!!!

CP is about $0.30 per kWh depending on the charging rate.

So as soon as the federal money runs out or the feds change the rules, the "free" charging ends. That's what I thought. Yeah, I know how much you like "free" at someone else's expense.

Depends on location. Brisband CP (south of SF) is 20c/kWhr flat, no session or minute charges. Downtown Bakersfield CP used to be $5c/kWhr, but now $0c/kWhr, driven by solar panels.

The dems Fed will take some time to run out of money. The new budget will throw a few billions into chargers. I am all for ending this social welfare, but will take advantage of it while it last.

I am OK with CT charging 15 to 20 cents per kWhr.

On Saturday, 2 October 2021 at 21:06:04 UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote: ...

Rubbish.

Tesla already builds cars with the European version of CCS.

It would be a minor change to use the US variant if they wanted to. But as Rick states they probably won't, there is not the business case for it and the cost of changing all the chargers to have dual connectors would be very large. They didn't have such a large installed base in Europe.

Also the horrible Chademo connector is much too large to fit in the location that Tesla uses for their connector so it would require bodywork changes. Not only that they would need to keep an AC charging port as well because Chademo only supports (rather slow) fast charging.

The Tesla connector is the most elegant in my view; it supports AC and DC fast charging using the same pins. CCS has an extra set of pins in the outrigger for DC charging and the AC pins are not used when DC charging or vise-versa.

With no new cars requiring Chademo in the US (Kia, Hyundai and Honda use CCS as well as Nissan in the future) there will be no demand for Chademo and the number of stations will decline. ...

kw

On Sunday, 3 October 2021 at 08:57:54 UTC-7, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote: ..

I don't see how it is a mess - they would do what they did in Europe where they put dual connectors on the Superchargers. Existing cars would still connect the way they always have.

They don't need to do it overnight, they could just put the dual connectors on new installations of superchargers and retrofit existing Superchargers years before they release new US vehicles with CCS connectors

kw

Then I recommend you do all of your charging there!!! It's clear that you don't want to understand. So I'll give up on the point.

I'm ok with it being free or $1.00 a kWh. I don't charge there. If the feds stop subsidizing it don't expect those prices. My understanding is electricity prices in CA are some of the highest in the nation, so expect it to be at least that. It's not like the government has any reason to continue to promote EVs. They seem to be doing pretty well on their own now. The idea was to spur demand to spur growth in the industry. Demand is through the roof and everyone is ramping up production of EVs. So no more stimulus needed.

It's not even the cost. There's just no reason for it. It alienates existing customers and encourages no new customers. Instead of providing a clean, closed system for Tesla customers to charge from, a system that is growing every day, they would be promoting a hybrid system where Tesla Superchargers are easy to use, with "other" chargers that require signing up to many different networks and paying many different ways. That is counter productive.

No bodywork required if you put the connector on the end of a short cable that plugs into a proprietary connector on the car... oh, wait, that's what they have now!

Not that it matters in any way, but the CCS in the US and CCS2 in the EU aren't the same. Either they are the same or they are not. Every standard is very similar. The issue is having a single interface on all the cars or not. In differing parts of the world it matters little if they are a bit different or totally different or not different at all. I can't drive to Puerto Rico much less the EU.

Even if they don't decline, they won't increase enough to be useful.

Dual connectors? So the Tesla connector will be grandfathered into every charger built in the future? That seems pretty messy to me. That's not at all like Chademo where the dual connectors is what they will be dropping.

I suppose your car will know it uses the new connector and won't route you to an old charger that has not been updated yet. But the cars are not good for trip planning and you will have extra work to make sure you don't plan to stop at the wrong chargers. Yup, still messy. At least they are helped by the fact there are so many non-Tesla CCS chargers in the EU. I wonder if the car knows about any of them? My Tesla doesn't know about anything non-Tesla.

On Sunday, 3 October 2021 at 13:46:51 UTC-7, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote: ...

That's what they are doing in Europe...

I don't know if the Europe/Uk SW knows about other charging systems - probably not.

kw

If the car can't route you to the non-Tesla chargers they are MUCH less useful. The best part of the Tesla is how seamless the charging is on trips. The car can plan all the stops to minimize your time spent charging.

What country are you in?

So looking ahead I guess the Tesla charging connector will be like having a BetaMax VCR? At least if I move to the EU and take my car with me I won't have any trouble charging.

And that what we will do in 2034. EA will still build CDM/CCS until 2024 and maintain it for 10 years, as part of legal settlement with CARB. So, we still have 12 years to enjoy CDM in the (R)ePublic of California.

Use the (plugshare) force.