EV Charging: Let It Be Free

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to remove the federal tax credit cap for EVs and expand it to 2022.

hicle tax credits for the rich, and provides charging credit for the poor i nstead. All charging stations should be free.

the EV purchase tax credit is not about benefiting the end user so much as simply reducing the price of the vehicles so they can be sold during the ra mp up period when costs are still high. This seems to have been working wi th a new auto company founded solely producing EVs and the rest of the majo r auto companies announcing new models to be on the road in a year or two. The only "defect" in the law is that it has a quantity cap for each manufa cturer. Tesla has used their full tax credits and will have used the remai ning credits this year I believe. At that point they will be at a disadvan tage, coincident with trying to roll out a new model Y. Not so good for an yone.

il some date regardless of company. This will encourage early adoption whi le maintaining a level playing field.

or. It is about getting EVs off the ground now rather than waiting another 20 years.

l EV charging free, will that include at home? Make the utility company pa y for your EV charging?

rom charging for them, because there is no alternative. I am talking about free air, water and electron in public facilities. When you are on the ro ad, you have no choice but to pay whatever they charge.

osite effect of slowing down productions. The less you produce, the higher your bargaining power with the rest of your credit. But to balance the el imination of vehicle credit, we have to give in something. Free charging i s one option.

It's not. I wish you would stop saying that. You have no evidence of any sort.

Free charging won't happen. The one EV maker who was giving it away stoppe d. No one is going to make them start again.

You can get free electrons. I got free electrons in South Carolina where T esla has not one single store or repair facility. Seems they are against t he law in that state. But I got free electrons... at a level 2 charger.

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$7,500 federal tax credit for electric cars and tax them even more instead.

ll to remove the federal tax credit cap for EVs and expand it to 2022.

vehicle tax credits for the rich, and provides charging credit for the poor instead. All charging stations should be free.

, the EV purchase tax credit is not about benefiting the end user so much a s simply reducing the price of the vehicles so they can be sold during the ramp up period when costs are still high. This seems to have been working with a new auto company founded solely producing EVs and the rest of the ma jor auto companies announcing new models to be on the road in a year or two . The only "defect" in the law is that it has a quantity cap for each manu facturer. Tesla has used their full tax credits and will have used the rem aining credits this year I believe. At that point they will be at a disadv antage, coincident with trying to roll out a new model Y. Not so good for anyone.

ntil some date regardless of company. This will encourage early adoption w hile maintaining a level playing field.

poor. It is about getting EVs off the ground now rather than waiting anoth er 20 years.

all EV charging free, will that include at home? Make the utility company pay for your EV charging?

from charging for them, because there is no alternative. I am talking abo ut free air, water and electron in public facilities. When you are on the road, you have no choice but to pay whatever they charge.

pposite effect of slowing down productions. The less you produce, the high er your bargaining power with the rest of your credit. But to balance the elimination of vehicle credit, we have to give in something. Free charging is one option.

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Because free charging was never their real intention, they were just buying market share. To be truly free, it has to be free and fair for everybody equally. Their supercharging scheme is the opposite of free market.

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equivalent for 80% to 90% charging. Due to lack of alternative, i have to charge to 100% to get to the next station. That's highway robbery.

he situation. i blame the government for not doing the job of oversight. As your Non-Senator, i promise you free Air, Water and Electron in every pu blic facility, taking full advantage of Other People's Energy (OPE).

Another political ignoramus, who thinks that socialism works the way right- wing politicians like to claim it does.

Trot over to Scandinavia to see how it actually works. There's a risk that you may not want to come back.

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bill to remove the federal tax credit cap for EVs and expand it to 2022.

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st, the EV purchase tax credit is not about benefiting the end user so much as simply reducing the price of the vehicles so they can be sold during th e ramp up period when costs are still high. This seems to have been workin g with a new auto company founded solely producing EVs and the rest of the major auto companies announcing new models to be on the road in a year or t wo. The only "defect" in the law is that it has a quantity cap for each ma nufacturer. Tesla has used their full tax credits and will have used the r emaining credits this year I believe. At that point they will be at a disa dvantage, coincident with trying to roll out a new model Y. Not so good fo r anyone.

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opposite effect of slowing down productions. The less you produce, the hi gher your bargaining power with the rest of your credit. But to balance th e elimination of vehicle credit, we have to give in something. Free chargi ng is one option.

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ng market share. To be truly free, it has to be free and fair for everybod y equally. Their supercharging scheme is the opposite of free market.

What??? The market is exactly free. You can get in and build as many char gers as you want and charge whatever price you feel is fair. Since you thi nk it should be free, why not build your own network and charge nothing? T hat is the best possible idea as far as I can see. What's stopping you?

Not good advice. The old beetle makes less efficient use of the energy it gets out of the gasoline you have to put into it, so you pay a lot more per kilometre traveled.

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the $7,500 federal tax credit for electric cars and tax them even more inst ead.

w bill to remove the federal tax credit cap for EVs and expand it to 2022.

EV vehicle tax credits for the rich, and provides charging credit for the poor instead. All charging stations should be free.

irst, the EV purchase tax credit is not about benefiting the end user so mu ch as simply reducing the price of the vehicles so they can be sold during the ramp up period when costs are still high. This seems to have been work ing with a new auto company founded solely producing EVs and the rest of th e major auto companies announcing new models to be on the road in a year or two. The only "defect" in the law is that it has a quantity cap for each manufacturer. Tesla has used their full tax credits and will have used the remaining credits this year I believe. At that point they will be at a di sadvantage, coincident with trying to roll out a new model Y. Not so good for anyone.

US until some date regardless of company. This will encourage early adopti on while maintaining a level playing field.

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stopped. No one is going to make them start again.

ying market share. To be truly free, it has to be free and fair for everyb ody equally. Their supercharging scheme is the opposite of free market.

argers as you want and charge whatever price you feel is fair. Since you t hink it should be free, why not build your own network and charge nothing? That is the best possible idea as far as I can see. What's stopping you?

Laws. I offered to build a station in public, but it would take an act of g ods (congress) to make it happen.

Less so if you have the reasoning power to realise that the US - and everywhere else - has to stop burning gasoline in cars to slow down global warming.

John Larkin is a gullible twit who has allowed denialist propaganda to blind him to this obvious point.

Electric cars now deliver more kilometres per dollars-worth of fuel than their gasoline-burning counterparts, so the subsidies have done their work and can be phased out.

Republicans want the world to change as little as possible, and have a habit of failing to adapt to changes that have taken place. Buying a non-traditional car is not a Republican thing.

Electric cars are cheaper to run than their internal-combustion-engined counter-parts. The subsidies have put enough of them on the road to provide the bare minimum of support infra-structure that they need, so they have done their job.

John Larkin will lose interest as soon as the results start coming in - they won't confirm his silly ideas, so he'll ignore them (rather than correcting one of his numerous collection of silly ideas).

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$7,500 federal tax credit for electric cars and tax them even more instead .

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as equivalent for 80% to 90% charging. Due to lack of alternative, i have to charge to 100% to get to the next station. That's highway robbery.

the situation. i blame the government for not doing the job of oversight. As your Non-Senator, i promise you free Air, Water and Electron in every public facility, taking full advantage of Other People's Energy (OPE).

t-wing politicians like to claim it does.

So, you think providing street light is socialism? L1 charging does not co st much more than street light.

Or you could inform yourself correctly and avoid it like the plague:

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$7,500 federal tax credit for electric cars and tax them even more instead .

ill to remove the federal tax credit cap for EVs and expand it to 2022.

vehicle tax credits for the rich, and provides charging credit for the poo r instead. All charging stations should be free.

t, the EV purchase tax credit is not about benefiting the end user so much as simply reducing the price of the vehicles so they can be sold during the ramp up period when costs are still high. This seems to have been working with a new auto company founded solely producing EVs and the rest of the m ajor auto companies announcing new models to be on the road in a year or tw o. The only "defect" in the law is that it has a quantity cap for each man ufacturer. Tesla has used their full tax credits and will have used the re maining credits this year I believe. At that point they will be at a disad vantage, coincident with trying to roll out a new model Y. Not so good for anyone.

it has the opposite effect of slowing down the EV productions. Other EV ma kers want to keep productions as slow as possible, in order to maintain thi s EV credit advantage. Time to phase it out completely. And to encourage EV ownership, enough free chargers accomplish the same.

, 50 miles EV is good enough for me and many others. We don't want to be d riving a mobile explosive around.

e department been to your house? Have you walked on every sidewalk in town ? Do you plan to visit the wall Mexico is building for us?

Government is fine for things that benefit the population generally, but immoral to use for things that benefit one individual at another's expense.

I'm fine with local communities voting and agreeing through their governments to build sidewalks and have fire departments. But poor black folks in Mississippi shouldn't have to pay for rich Californians' electro-toys. That's wrong.

Cheers, James Arthur

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$7,500 federal tax credit for electric cars and tax them even more instead .

ill to remove the federal tax credit cap for EVs and expand it to 2022.

vehicle tax credits for the rich, and provides charging credit for the poo r instead. All charging stations should be free.

t, the EV purchase tax credit is not about benefiting the end user so much as simply reducing the price of the vehicles so they can be sold during the ramp up period when costs are still high. This seems to have been working with a new auto company founded solely producing EVs and the rest of the m ajor auto companies announcing new models to be on the road in a year or tw o. The only "defect" in the law is that it has a quantity cap for each man ufacturer. Tesla has used their full tax credits and will have used the re maining credits this year I believe. At that point they will be at a disad vantage, coincident with trying to roll out a new model Y. Not so good for anyone.

it has the opposite effect of slowing down the EV productions. Other EV ma kers want to keep productions as slow as possible, in order to maintain thi s EV credit advantage. Time to phase it out completely. And to encourage EV ownership, enough free chargers accomplish the same.

, 50 miles EV is good enough for me and many others. We don't want to be d riving a mobile explosive around.

It doesn't have to. You'd still run mostly on battery, and the generator run at optimum torque and RPM could be quite efficient.

to get us off oil faster. The actual money involved in charging is not tha t much, but we need the incentive and volume for EV ownership to grow.

That's not for a national nanny government to decide to push people into, not in a free country. Herding the flock is not what government is for.

When EVs make sense, the People will buy them. They won't need subsidies. I'm tempted to get a Prius, for example, no subsidy needed.

FWIW, random note: I calculated recently that the wear-and-tear cost of using a Tesla pack is about 12.7 cents per kWH.

Cheers, James Arthur

Yeah, or not. You just made up a story that suits your mood. Public parking, hereabouts, can run $5 an hour, and charging while parked is in the noise.

Visiting Minnesota, you'll see a lot of outlets next to parking spots. Use 'em, or your motor no go, come wintertime. It's just part of the parking that... you pay for.

How does "avoiding it like a plague" make you better informed?

Cursitor Doom confuses far-right-thinking with right-thinking.

It's a mistake, but not one that he is equipped to detect.

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he $7,500 federal tax credit for electric cars and tax them even more inste ad.

bill to remove the federal tax credit cap for EVs and expand it to 2022.

EV vehicle tax credits for the rich, and provides charging credit for the p oor instead. All charging stations should be free.

rst, the EV purchase tax credit is not about benefiting the end user so muc h as simply reducing the price of the vehicles so they can be sold during t he ramp up period when costs are still high. This seems to have been worki ng with a new auto company founded solely producing EVs and the rest of the major auto companies announcing new models to be on the road in a year or two. The only "defect" in the law is that it has a quantity cap for each m anufacturer. Tesla has used their full tax credits and will have used the remaining credits this year I believe. At that point they will be at a dis advantage, coincident with trying to roll out a new model Y. Not so good f or anyone.

, it has the opposite effect of slowing down the EV productions. Other EV makers want to keep productions as slow as possible, in order to maintain t his EV credit advantage. Time to phase it out completely. And to encourag e EV ownership, enough free chargers accomplish the same.

ns, 50 miles EV is good enough for me and many others. We don't want to be driving a mobile explosive around.

ire department been to your house? Have you walked on every sidewalk in to wn? Do you plan to visit the wall Mexico is building for us?

And James Arthur gets to define which things benefit one individual at anot her's expense.

Practically every government service benefits some individual at other peop les expense. The existence of the US state department was vital to any Amer ican who traveled or traded internationally, but of much less important to stay-at-homes, and it has existed since Ben Franklin was the US Ambassador to France.

From James Arthur's rather blinkered point of view. He does have a lot of o ther blind spots.

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he $7,500 federal tax credit for electric cars and tax them even more inste ad.

bill to remove the federal tax credit cap for EVs and expand it to 2022.

EV vehicle tax credits for the rich, and provides charging credit for the p oor instead. All charging stations should be free.

rst, the EV purchase tax credit is not about benefiting the end user so muc h as simply reducing the price of the vehicles so they can be sold during t he ramp up period when costs are still high. This seems to have been worki ng with a new auto company founded solely producing EVs and the rest of the major auto companies announcing new models to be on the road in a year or two. The only "defect" in the law is that it has a quantity cap for each m anufacturer. Tesla has used their full tax credits and will have used the remaining credits this year I believe. At that point they will be at a dis advantage, coincident with trying to roll out a new model Y. Not so good f or anyone.

, it has the opposite effect of slowing down the EV productions. Other EV makers want to keep productions as slow as possible, in order to maintain t his EV credit advantage. Time to phase it out completely. And to encourag e EV ownership, enough free chargers accomplish the same.

ns, 50 miles EV is good enough for me and many others. We don't want to be driving a mobile explosive around.

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d to get us off oil faster. The actual money involved in charging is not t hat much, but we need the incentive and volume for EV ownership to grow.

Unless the government is herding the flock the way James Arthur wants them to go, or the right-wing organisation for which he is astro-turfing wants t hem to go.

Show your working. Your capacity for convenient conceptual errors is remark able.

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First, the EV purchase tax credit is not about benefiting the end user so much as simply reducing the price of the vehicles so they can be sold durin g the ramp up period when costs are still high. This seems to have been wo rking with a new auto company founded solely producing EVs and the rest of the major auto companies announcing new models to be on the road in a year or two. The only "defect" in the law is that it has a quantity cap for eac h manufacturer. Tesla has used their full tax credits and will have used t he remaining credits this year I believe. At that point they will be at a disadvantage, coincident with trying to roll out a new model Y. Not so goo d for anyone.

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make all EV charging free, will that include at home? Make the utility co mpany pay for your EV charging?

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the opposite effect of slowing down productions. The less you produce, th e higher your bargaining power with the rest of your credit. But to balanc e the elimination of vehicle credit, we have to give in something. Free ch arging is one option.

of any sort.

y stopped. No one is going to make them start again.

buying market share. To be truly free, it has to be free and fair for ever ybody equally. Their supercharging scheme is the opposite of free market.

chargers as you want and charge whatever price you feel is fair. Since you think it should be free, why not build your own network and charge nothing ? That is the best possible idea as far as I can see. What's stopping you ?

gods (congress) to make it happen.

Huh? If you are willing to pay the electric bill and will back that up wit h something substantial, I will pay to put in the charger and make that hap pen!

Our government does exactly this sort of thing all the time. We had massiv e campaigns to educate people about the hazards of smoking and as a result smoking and deaths from smoking have declined. Same with the use of seat b elts and traffic deaths except we didn't just "encourage" people to wear se at belts, we REQUIRE it by law.

Sorry, by your definition we have been a nanny government for a long time a nd will always be a nanny government. That is the government most people w ant. One that has our best interests at heart. Unfortunately it can get o ut of hand at times, but overall it is a good thing.

At least we don't have public canings for chewing gum.

Such narrow minded thinking would have meant we would not have many vaccine s for example. The government sponsored research for many vaccines which w e otherwise would not have. Subsidizing technology is worthwhile when it i s in the public interests as EVs are. The subsidies won't be around much l onger. Tesla and GM are reaching the end of their benefits.

What is a Tesla pack and what wear-and-tear are you talking about? To the battery pack? Do you mean the amortization of the cost of the battery? Wh y separate the battery rather than the whole car? The batteries appear to be lasting as long as the rest of the car and likely longer than ICE. Unli ke ICE, the battery pack suffers gradual degradation of the range rather th an sudden breaking down. The rated life is to the point where the capacity is 80% of the initial value. For many users this is not the point of thro wing it away and the vehicle will remain very serviceable. The rest of the drive line appears to be even more long lived.

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You live in a house, dumbfuck. ALL home owners pay for their water, even if they install and use a well, there is a cost.

The reference I made was in the same vein as yours was, depicting use in a public, or multi-tenant environment.

But then you knew what was meant, you just like filling up a shit pot then stirring it. You stink.

You're an oxygen moocher.

John Larkin wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

I am quite sure that over half the chips you use in your designs would not even exist if folks all had mindsets like yours. You are almost as pathetic as Donald J. Trump is. Almost.