Coming Soon th the USA...

In the US we used to mock and deride places where Police said "Papers Please!" and citizens here felt protected by our vaunted Constitutional Rights.

The places with tribunals and cops saying "Papers Please!" were always far away and a subject of scorn.

A man was driving a pickup trick a few years ago and the police were looking for a suspect that in NO WAY did he resemble but they asked for his ID/drivers license. He asked why.

They arrested him and it went all the way to the US Supreme Court, with massive support on both sides. Citizens rights groups of various kinds on one side and Law Enforcement interests on the other side.

The US Supreme Court KNEW that if they heard the case there was no legal basis in the US to force identity without REASON. Rather than be forced to disgrace Law Enforcement, the US Supreme Court simply refused to rule on the case.

The terrorism threat has been abused to expand government authority in the USA.

Ben Franklin said those who would give up Liberty for Security deserve neither.

REAL security does not involve LEO's demanding ID from a guy in a pickup truck who blatantly does not resemble the suspect they seek.

The biggest problem for the Supreme Court and the LEO's involved was that the pickup truck was rigged with cameras and the video of the actual Police stop played on YouTube.

In addition, video captured by cameras mounted in Police cars has been more of a LIABILITY for LEO's (boon to citizens rights) than an asset in prosecution.

In some cases, video ends up with unexplained gaps, despite perfectly working equipment.

In one case video where a woman was strip searched by male police officers was produced, but one thing visible in the video was another camera recording, and that footage had not been handed over to attorneys suing the LEO's. That case was particularly bad because the woman cops strip searched was a victim/complainant arrested by mistake.

In the UK it's my impression that Law Enforcement doesn't have to put up with any such citizen exposure.

Almost anything Law Enforcement in the UK finds awkward can be declared a state secret.

Inch by inch the USA is heading for the same situation. Gradual Socialism is not seen as a threat.

You're worried about window tint?

Last time I looked Argentina was not in the EU.

Brits can drive in Belgium or France on a UK drivers licence.

There is also he crucial distinction between being a tourist staying for less than 6 months and a resident.

That's OK in the UK. You just have to take it along to the police station within a fixed period of time.

Regards, Martin Brown

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I've seen side-window tinting here in AZ that had a cut-out so you could see the rear-view mirror.

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There's also a safety aspect in being able to see into the car, if you can see the driver is looking at you know he has seen you, if you can see he's playing with his CD player, you know he hasn't.

-Lasse

Not so for EU driver's licences, at least until age 70.

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

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LCD window glass obscurers. Flip a switch, and glass is black. Put one on your tag as well.

Good for going through intersections when you shouldn't, robbing banks, and late night 'f*ck-in-the-car' sessions.

Liar! Jim Backus is dead!

Thurston Howell III?

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Delicious!

Mr. Magoo.

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If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account:

There are two kinds of people on this earth: The crazy, and the insane. The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy.

The US lost the "war on terror" the day the federal government started strip-searching American citizens at the airports.

I think right now Osama ben Laden, the Taliban, the Al-Queda, the Mujahadeen, etc. are rolling on the floor laughing their asses off while they watch the US government doing more damage to the country than any "terrorist" could even _DREAM_ of doing.

Thanks, Rich

Worse, we lost when we the people let our panic and hysteria stampede congress into passing the damn fool legislation that setup the conditions that made it possible, for example:

HR2883: Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002

HR2884: Victims of Terrorism Relief Act of 2001

HR2888: 2001 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Recovery from and Response to Terrorist Attacks on the United States

HR2926: Air Transportation Safety and System Stabilization Act

HR3162: Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT ACT) Act of 2001

HR3275: Terrorist Bombings Convention Implementation Act of 2001

HR3448: Bioterrorism Response Act of 2001

HR3525: Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act of 2002

HR3986: To extend the period of availability of unemployment assistance under the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act in the case of victims of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

H.J.Res. 71: Designating September 11 as Patriot Day

S1372: Export-Import Bank Reauthorization Act of 2002

S1424: A bill to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to provide permanent authority for the admission of "S" visa non-immigrants.

S1438: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002

S1447: Aviation and Transportation Security Act

S1465: A bill to authorize the President to exercise waivers of foreign assistance restrictions with respect to Pakistan through September 30, 2003, and for other purposes.

Curious, no one would ever bother making that statement about a John Smith.

Still it is nice to have had a famous namesake. I prefer to remember him in what was considered his best role as James Dean's father in Rebel Without a Cause

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Then you would have enjoyed the video the link points to.

I have that on DVD. (Saw in it theater when first released.)

...Jim Thompson

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