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MooseFET wrote:

...BUT it's the Scientific Method that undergirds this stuff. It's IMPORTANT that they understand (unlike dogma)

**we're not just pulling this stuff out of our asses**

--that is, there's A METHOD we use to derive these databases AND that it's repeatable AND (funds permitting) that THEY can check it for themselves.

...AND that it's a SELF-CORRECTING process which (unlike the medieval monks who just copied stuff without understanding the Latin texts they were duplicating) is open to examination by the most humble of humans AND is open to challenge **IF** they show up with the goods.

Before a kid is graduated from 6th grade, he should be required to understand the steps in the process.

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Kids are natural scientists. It's when their curiosity is squashed by unquestionable dogma that their minds switch off and we're left with another generation of I-don't-WANT-to know-the-truth types.

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JeffM
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Accomplished quite nicely by our unionized public school system.

...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

:: ...Scientific Method...

8-( Luckily, there are some shining stars. My 7th grade science teacher let my curiosity just gallop and it set a course for me to ask *Why?* a lot more. (A course that wasn't so nurtured by my parents who were Catholic. That Daddy was a military officer wasn't any incentive either.)

I think it was in the shadow of the Scopes "Monkey Trial " (1925) that many schools resolved not to teach the Scientific Method and instead established the mantra of

*memorize these data points and don't ask where they came from*.

Fundies get nervous when their dogma is exposed to light.

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JeffM

Same here... my course was set by my 8th grade Algebra teacher, Evelyn Truchovesky.

I will celebrate my 50th high school reunion this summer. I believe the educational system was far better back then. Kids around here now in AZ can't do fractions nor make change :-(

...Jim Thompson

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| James E.Thompson, P.E.                           |    mens     |
| Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
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| Phoenix, Arizona  85048    Skype: Contacts Only  |             |
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  |
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Jim Thompson

Anybody who gets paid with tax money should be prohibited from unionizing.

Thanks, Rich

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Rich Grise 

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I have no problem with them unionizing, but they should be prohibited
from striking, as Federal employees are.

Remember how Reagan fired the smart-ass air traffic controllers who
went on strike when he was in office?

Took the wind out of their sails just beautifully, the miserable
bastards!

JF
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John Fields

John Fields wrote:

aka **the former head of the Screen Actors' Guild**. (Reminds me of Clarence Thomas and Affirmative Action.)

Those chickens are coming home to roost.

With WAVES of folks who were all hired at the same time now up for retirement, there are holes in the ATC system, as replacements aren't coming along to fill the gaps.

Thanks, Ronnie (you miserable bastard).

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JeffM

No, it's to support the teacher's unions whilst they churn out illiterate, ignorant, droids, devoid of critical thought, pre-programmed to consume. But I digress.

Again, you're intolerant. That's not liberal.

Again, you demand. Parents who home-school need to be certified as competent? By whom? By what authority?

Would you exempt them from public school taxes, or, by force, make them pay for public schools they don't use? Isn't that imposing on their liberty in a most egregious way?

You're passing a moral judgement here: you'd decide (or have government decide) which parents are fit to raise their own kids. That's monstrous. Can't you see that?

It defies imagination that any parent so motivated could be worse than the public schools, even if they tried.

And it's not in the public interest to deny them. The home-schoolers I've known have all been _lightyears_ ahead of their public (or private) school counterparts.

Best regards, James Arthur

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James Arthur

I never said any such stupid thing.

The kids who skip class already do so without consequence. Public schools are funded by the daily body count; they're complicit in down-playing truancy, keeping bogus attendance records to maximize their funding.

These, however, are not the few religious-minded kids you've obsessively fixated on. No, the kids who skip, and fail, and falter in life are inner-city kids. The one who need schooling most. And public schools let them. And that's a crime.

You're arguing with yourself. I never said any of that drivel.

Best wishes, James Arthur

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James Arthur

I have watched and listened to (more listened to) enough to know that they don't deserve the name "news". Then again very few elsewhere should be allow to call themselves "news" either.

Editorial comments and what the latest starlet just did aren't news.

No, I make my money as an engineer. Making fun of republicans is just a hobby. It is sort of like whittling, you can't expect the trees to understand it.

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MooseFET

I believe home-schooling parents should receive a payment from the state equivalent to the ADA monies the state dispenses to the school district per pupil.

...Jim Thompson

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| James E.Thompson, P.E.                           |    mens     |
| Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC\'s and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
| Phoenix, Arizona  85048    Skype: Contacts Only  |             |
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com |    1962     |
             
         America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave
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Jim Thompson

Aha! We're compatriots... my hobby is making leftist weenies break into whining noises ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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| James E.Thompson, P.E.                           |    mens     |
| Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC\'s and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
| Phoenix, Arizona  85048    Skype: Contacts Only  |             |
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com |    1962     |
             
         America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave
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Jim Thompson

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MooseFET

On Jun 16, 12:11 pm, JeffM wrote: [...]

process.http://www.google.com/search?q=Scientific.Method+State.the.Problem+Fo...

Yes but remember that republicans run for and get elected to school boards too. The best we can hope for is to prevent the republicans from turning the schools into mindless drone factories.

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MooseFET

Anyone who gets paid with tax money should be required to join all the unions. :)

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MooseFET
[...privately or home schooled ...]

No it isn't. My taxes go to pay for many services I will never need. I am male so the odds of me getting pregnant are darn close to zero. I live up a fairly major slope so if my house ever flooded we would be in serious trouble. I don't drive on many of the highways I am forced to pay for.

You have a *very* weak imagination or you have seen only a very small section of mankind if you can't imagine parents doing far worse than the public schools. As a society, we take children away for seriously bad parents all the time. Can't you imagine parents that are not bad enough to have their children removed by only a small margin.

We decide these sorts of things all the times as a society. We don't let bad parents impose their evil will upon their children. Someones children are their charge not their property.

How many have you known?

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MooseFET

process.http://www.google.com/search?q=Scientific.Method+State.the.Problem+Fo...

You sure have a twisted view of the world.

Around here (Arizona) the leftist weenies in the school systems want everyone to be a fairy ;-)

Iowa, a Democrat stronghold as I recall, kept a father from having child-custody because he had a beard.

...Jim Thompson

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| James E.Thompson, P.E.                           |    mens     |
| Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC\'s and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
| Phoenix, Arizona  85048    Skype: Contacts Only  |             |
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com |    1962     |
             
         America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave
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Jim Thompson

process.http://www.google.com/search?q=Scientific.Method+State.the.Problem+Fo...

If you're going to post from Google, you should read this: news: snipped-for-privacy@y22g2000prd.googlegroups.com

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JeffM

I saw some of those loonies interviewed on PBS. Except they were wealthy residents of some super-exclusive island off Seattle, Democrats.

"Obligations" meaning you want to enforce your morals on others. IOW, exactly what you accuse conservatives of doing, except you really mean it.

To me, "liberal" means generous, inclined toward the common good; free of bigotry; tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others.

What you describe is dictating, imposing your values, my-way-or-the-highway.

That's not liberal. It's becoming that which you fear in others.

I know you mean well. But maybe you've conjured up an evil conservative / jack-booted "neo-con" boogeyman ... and he isn't real? Or worse, maybe he's real, and he's you.

Best wishes, James Arthur (a liberal)

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James Arthur

Besides the scoop from a family-member who IS a public school teacher, I've had many recent dealings myself with the public high schools.

I cannot begin to adequately convey my contempt, or disappointment in what was once a fine system and a noble calling. They now exist simply to perpetuate themselves, political-correctness, and idiocracy.

There remain some brilliant, shining stars amongst them, but they fight such hopeless odds, such a heavy burden of bureaucratic self-important no-nothings...[1]

[1] bureaucrat-to-teacher ratio = 1:1, I kid you not.

Two brilliant kids, graduated with top marks, and they can't read.

James Arthur

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James Arthur

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