A different look at George Floyd

Why is his history relevant?

It was reported days ago on non leftwing news sources, including why he was arrested. So much for Mainstream 'Fairly Unbalanced' coverage.

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or other news sources that dig out the details rather than the talking heads on TV.

There are people who think that killing a (suspected)criminal is fine. Adolf, and similar leaders actively promoted that. I hope, that current leaders will not make that list longer.

It's not as far as the police officer killing him. It is as far as the media reporting him to be an upstanding individual. Was it five stints in prison?

Why is it relevant in any regard? Your statement about the media makes no sense. The media may not be reporting his background... because it isn't relevant. Having been a criminal does not carry a death penalty on suspicion by the police.

Your post is not relevant. Are you one of the people Sjouke is talking about?

A FOAF responded to a German freelance artist who was happy to have received a stimulus cheque from his government, "Well, they know just how dangerous an unemployed artist can be." ;)

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Almost like when there's a large for-profit prison system there's an incentive to manufacture repeat "customers."

Like I didn't know of a half-dozen white guys in my teens and 20s who got out of drug possession raps, DUIs, robbery, and even breaking and entering on technicalities or even just "I've been accepted to a good college" and their Mom hired a good lawyer for them.

But right-wingers know all this just fine and like it that way. Defend the Volk, ok? they're all good kids

Perhaps Trump should have pointed that out instead of making that truly extraordinary claim that George Floyd was looking down on us all, delighted at the latest unemployment figures. That's the first time he's ever said anything that *is* genuinely* stupid IMO. Not good in an election year....

You overestimate the intelligence of the American voter

Get into directly naming-and-shaming people in the US who have drug possession charges and misdemeanor woman-beating on their record and he's going to alienate like 50% of his voting base.

I agree with Ric. This is a clear-cut case of police brutality (and murder). Once apprehended and in custody, there is simply no justifiable reason for a suspect's life, health, and safety to be further jeopardized by the police.

Even if a suspect was just witnessed mowing down 30 people with an AR-15, once in custody, that's it. The courts decide guilt and punishment, not roadside by the police. Period. End of story. Not up for debate.

There are clearly some bad eggs in our law enforcement agencies and they need to be weeded-out - arrested and prosecuted in some cases.

Law enforcement is a tough job, and it probably doesn't pay enough - I get it. If you're not up for it, don't apply.

I'm completely agree the cop is guilty, I also think he has a history and should have no long been a cop. Here's a thing that is part of doctors training and getting rid of people that should not be a doctor, that may have good application to police officers. The author thinks so. The podcaster is a trained surgeon and this podcast is way off from his usual, but he is teaching his daughter.

Not likely to happen with the police union going to bat for any police who have been subjected to a complaint.

Dan

no sense. The media may not be reporting his background... because it isn 't relevant. Having been a criminal does not carry a death penalty on susp icion by the police.

r a suspect's life, health, and safety to be further jeopardized by the pol ice.

once in custody, that's it. The courts decide guilt and punishment, not r oadside by the police. Period. End of story. Not up for debate.

need to be weeded-out - arrested and prosecuted in some cases.

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It is definitely a tough job. I grew up in the 60's when it was popular am ong the younger crowd to hate police. I eventually got over that and have a lot of respect for police in general as they are doing a job that is hard and often has few rewards.

Police are taught to be responsible for going home safely at the end of the day. So there is a certain bias toward self preservation that at times co nflicts with the "rights" of a suspect. There have been incidents througho ut the years of police stepping beyond the need to protect themselves resul ting in the death of a suspect. Sometimes it's a judgement call, other tim es it seems very, very clear that the officer's judgement has failed.

I expect if I am ever arrested, I will comply and try not to become a stati stic... at least not a fatality statistic.

It's anything but. Murder implies a *premeditated* intention to kill. This is far more a case of manslaughter AFAICS. Now don't get me wrong

- I'm not defending the indefensible here and have no sympathy at all for that cop who should not have been in the job. But my fear is that the prosecutors will, due to public pressure, charge him with murder 1 or 2 and the jury will see through that for what it is and bring in a verdict of not guilty. Then you'll have all this rioting to go through all over again - with interest.

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Cases against police like this rarely succeed anyhow, long as procedure was followed police have conditional immunity. BTW; Who is dumb enough to believe police would commit murder in public and on camera ? Did they want to spend 20 years in jail? Absurd. Please note;

Videos are a record of events as seen by the camera lens - but do NOT explain events !!!!

...... Phil

No, it does not. That would be murder in the first degree. Second degree murder is something that happens in the heat of the moment, but doesn't eve n require intent... at least in Florida. Every state is different in detai ls of the degrees of murder and manslaughter.

I don't agree. In many jurisdictions second degree murder is about an ille gal act that is likely to result in death. Once Floyd was under control, c ontinuing to push on his neck with the knee and his protestations that he c ouldn't breath clearly made it an illegal act. It clearly could result in death. So those are the two main criteria for second degree murder in many jurisdictions.

Most of the US press never mentions these facts, or his violent criminal history.

But some cops are repeatedly brutal, and should be prosecuted or at least fired. Police, like the military, volunteer to go in harm's way. They shouldn't blast away on suspicion.

Strangulation should not be an allowed tactic. It's dangerous.

We need more non-lethal weapons, like a scrootch gun.

How long did you scrootch them for, Gidney?

Oh, just 30 seconds... or was it 30 years?

alking". The knee technique is common practice in most police forces.

Common practice to get control and put on handcuffs. He had handcuffs on a nd was clearly under control well before he became unresponsive. So no nee d to continue the neck hold.

The damning evidence, "The officer had his knee on Floyd's neck for eight m inutes and 46 seconds in total and two minutes and 53 seconds after Floyd w as unresponsive".

called for him immediately and a second call up-rated that to an emergency .

ere cardio vascular disease and heavy illegal use of Fentanyl- a prescripti on opioid that kills thousands of ordinary folk every year - by interfering with breathing.

I think you are misquoting the medical examiner's office who said he died f rom, "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restrain t, and neck compression."

Why are you refuting the official reports?

ny potential trial may have to aborted on that ground alone.

The fact that someone may know something about the case does not mean they are biased. Jury selection is interesting. They don't want highly intelli gent people on the jury. They want people they can manipulate.

as followed police have conditional immunity.

Exactly. This is a case where clearly they did not follow procedure or the police force would not have fired them so quickly.

nd on camera ? Did they want to spend 20 years in jail? Absurd.

You would think so, yet it happened anyway. Many policemen seem to become inured to the brutality of the job and forget they have limitations. I do feel sorry for the one trainee who actually did try to get Floyd released. I don't get why he was charged.

plain events !!!!

Indeed. Yet they give a much clearer picture than a witness. The police t hemselves are essentially witnesses. Were they wearing body cams? No ment ion of it so far, I wonder why not?