Turn your Rigol DS1052E Oscilloscope into a 100MHz DS1102E

It is funny to watch people who feel "cheated" by "overpriced" Rigol units.

Rigol sells unit X with capabilities Y at price Z.

The only thing they have no right to do is to sell unit that does not work as advertized. It may or may not work better.

If you do not like the price you do not buy it. buy somebody else's or not buy at all. End of story.

Rigol does not owe you or anybody else anything. If they want to add 10MHz limiter and sell this new 10MHz unit, it is their choice, not yours and definitely not mine.

Bla-bla-bla.

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Andrew

"Andrew = Damn LIAR"

** Not one person here is doing that.

You LYING PILE of ARROGANT SHIT !!!

.... Phil

How about selling an "upgrade" to Rigol scopes?

VLV

Sure. I *believe* everyone who has not signed "not to sell an upgrade" agreement with Rigol has the right to do it, because he does not violate any contracts.

Again, I am not talking about current laws.

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Andrew

Only if you signed an agreemnt to that effect during purchase.

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Andrew

Do they not owe me honesty? Do they have a right to lie to me so they can benefit themselves? If so then then your world is a sorry piece of shit and people like you are the reasons why the world sucks. Your mentality always leads to cheating then to stealing and much worse things. You can't lie a little to benefit yourselves and hurt others in the process and expect that it will result in a humanity that will go very far. Eventually you'll end up with some form of anarchy because everyone is trying to hurt everyone else.

This is what capitalism has turned into. People like you have abused and manipulated a perfectly good system(but structurally faulty because it does nothing to prevent it from being corrupted by your kind). Because you live such a pathetic existence you put no value in humanity. It's all about you isn't it? It's called NPD and you might want to get some meds for it.

Rigol does owe me something. They owe me honesty. In fact we have laws against such fraudulent practices and you can pretend all you want that we don't. Your no different than a common crook and I bet you "sell" stuff on ebay to make a living. The kinda person that sends you a box of rocks when they were suppose to ship you a computer. Does it make you feel good taking advantage of people? Do you feel powerful? Does it make up for your all the other things you suck at in life?

How you going to feel when your daughter is taken advantage of by someone like you? I bet you will enjoy it? You'll probably picture yourself doing her. In fact you've probably already done her since you care nothing about her or anyone else. What about when your wife is killed by a drunk, no doubt like yourself, that only cares about getting wasted every weekend and disregards every one else's safety?

Of course I have no doubt that it wouldn't bother you unless in some way it diminished your own self-gratification. Of course as long as you can do that to other people it's fine.

People like you have a mental disorder and it seems the only sure fire way to prevent you from negatively affecting humanity(which is much more important than your pathetic useless existence) is by removing all brain activity... Of course we'll need to find it first.

Hmm.. so Rigol does not have an implicit contract with it's customers?

From there website:

"RIGOL TECHNOLOGIES, INC. is an emerging leader in the test and measurement field. Our current product line consists of Digital Oscilloscopes, Function/Arbitrary Waveform Generators, Digital Multimeters, Virtual Instruments with LXI compatibility and more. Business Philosophy: Focus on our customers current and future needs by creating innovative, high quality products that deliver great value. "

So by "focus" and "needs" they mean cheat and lie? Oh, this isn't a legal contract, right? is that what you are going to hide behind? Do implicit moral and/or ethical contracts exist? No, why not? Are you in favor of having them? No? Why not?

So, what about this?

"George Jefferson" >

** That took so much longer than my pithy " You lying pile of arrogant shit " assessment.

But maybe it was worthwhile for the additional detail and explanations.

All water off a duck's back to the likes of Andrew, unfortunately.

..... Phil

Wher is the dishonesty on Rigol side?

Where did they lie?

Yes, it is all about me. It is always about "me" for everyone, including you.

Wow, you've got a really powerful stuff somewhere, haven't you?

Should I feel pity or envy? I am not really sure...

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Andrew

World would be a better place.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

17 years in US, for starters, is way too long. Patents often used to lock competitors out, thus artificially decresing efficiency. Etc, etc.

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Andrew

Wrong. Supply - demand + goverment intervention. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Andrew

BTW, you are preaching to AlwaysWrong troll. He is... Well, he is always, always wrong.

One of the professors that taught me in the university used to say: "Don't argue with an idiot. It only makes more difficult for the other people to see a difference between you and him"

Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant

They would have to send bandits or use whatever other non-economic means of competition. Problem is not in the patents, problem is with the people.

Write a complaint to the World League for sexual reforms?

VLV

Your opinion. BTW, you're 20 years out of date. Patents run for twenty years from the time of application but must be renewed several times during that period (or they expire before the twenty years).

efficiency.

That's their *purpose*. For a legal monopoly the inventor trades education in the art. Without something to gain there would be no reason to publish details, rather keep them as trade secrets. This approach didn't work out so well in the early industrial revolution. It's a good idea to research the alternatives before condemning the existing.

Development costs, amortized over the quantity of product sold, plus overhead and profit.

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"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence 
over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled."
                                       (Richard Feynman)

That's the crux of the issue.

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"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence 
over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled."
                                       (Richard Feynman)

But what they get if they modify it is *not* the same as the 100MHz 'scope that they could buy. At best it is something that may be OK, without any guarantees. They may also void their warranty on the 50MHz version they bought as well. I don't think Rigol sell a 'it might be 100MHz but we won't guarantee it and you have no warranty at all' 'scope, so exactly what economic harm is done? Thay *can't buy* what they are modifying this to be.

Information itself is not dangerous, it's what people do with it that might be.

Mark.

Read John's post again. The economic harm is done when someone buys the

50MHz version, intending to modify it, when in the absence of the disseminated information, they would have bought the more expensive instrument.

The moral thing would be to have announced that "We have discovered that the two instruments are electrically identical, and it is possible to modify the 50MHz version, in firmware, to behave identically to the 100MHz version. We are not disclosing how to do this. We invite comments from the manufacturer."

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"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence 
over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled."
                                       (Richard Feynman)

Ok, you've defined profit, but I'll ask Larkin's question again. What's a fair price for IP that costs nothing to manufacture?