OT: Climate Change Bullshit

Alternatively: you won, now lie in the bed you made.

We haven't won. Only a brexiteer could come up with that cr@p.

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The point about the rise being a roughly logarithmic function of CO2 concen tration is correct - as far as it goes.

It rather ignores the fact that water vapour is a more potent greenhouse ga s than CO2, and that a lot of the rise your neat little equation seems to a ttributre to CO2 is actually due to the extra water vapour in the lower lev els of the troposphere when the planet is a bit warmer.

None of this undercuts the fundamental point that more CO2 means a warmer w orld, and the extra CO2 we are dumping into the atmosphere is going to keep on making it even warmer to a degree that is going to lead to a whole rang e of inconveniences.

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Yes, and ever since the remainers have sought to undermine the 2016 decision.

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Only after the Act of Union did Highlanders and Lowlanders, Picts and Celts, 
begin to recognise one another as fellow citizens. 

Tam Dalyell

Exactly. And they continue to do so.

When, not if, they feel the pain that Brexit will bring, which set of politicians will they turn to? Unlikely to be the moderate mainstream, more likely whichever demagogue gets their attention.

I've advised my daughter to try to find a way to emigrate. I know many people that are planning just that, e.g. by actively seeking to capitalise on having foreign grandparents.

Good. Unfortunately they will fail.

Brexiteers often invoke "the will of the people" as if that is somehow sacrosanct and unchanging. They claim that the "democratic decision" is immutable. If that was the case then we would never need to have another general election.

Hmmm, another one who wants a vote every five minutes. Or at any rate until he gets the "right" result.

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Alan Lovejoy

I knew you couldn't answer the question. I wonder why electronics attracts so many profane and angry guys, techs and amateurs who pretend they can design stuff. I think they desire to understand electronics and resent the people who can.

The attitude itself may have handicapped them.

You don't see that sort of resentment of, say, pro sports.

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lunatic fringe electronics

That's a classic communist/fascist debating tacic: accuse the opposition of your own tactics.

The Brexiteers wanted continual votes until after they had got the "right" result. Farage said, on the eve of the referendum, that a 48:52 result against leaving should cause another referendum. He didn't mention that the next day.

But now the gruesome consequences of Brexit are apparent (i.e. there is more information), yes there should be another referendum.

That's what happens with general elections: politicians past promises are compared with their achievements. Why be anti-democratic and deny that in this case?

For a bit of balance :-)

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t-live-as-it-happens

We had the same sort of repeating referendum thing here in Canada until the Quebec separtists got defeated so soundly that the movement has all but vanished for the foreseeable future...

Probably why the Quebec separtists starting loosing, people figured out what would happen as opposed to what was promised. And when they won provincial and federal seats people saw how ignorant they were of the real world.

I hope this ends well for you folks on the other side of the pond, but I

suspect meddling by others more interested in the fall of Europe as a world power might be behind it.

John :-#(#

Ah, so one "brexiteer" (Our Nige), says something, and you attribute that to all of us. You can f*ck right off with that.

What "gruesome consequences" would those be, then? And don't bother with "Treasury forecasts", as they are the same Project Fear bollocks as they always have been.

Ah, you think "brexiteers" made promises, eh? Which promises would those be, then?

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- Jeff Polk

That is democracy, but not as brexiteers want.

You know nothing of the kind.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasys.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasys.

Obvious lie.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasys.

All completely irrelevant to what we were discussing.

Desperate attempt at diversion that fools absolutely no one at all, noted.

you aren't important enough tobe reported in the press so the fact that you wouldn't have toed the party line and demanded a second referendum had you lost is irrelevant.

the rest of the brexiteers are not gong to be happy until we leave.

That remains to be seen. Clearly that fool May is attempting BRexit in name only. Remains to be seen if parliament will actually be stupid enough to buy that. Looks unlikely IMO.

But then I usually get it wrong with how stupid your pollys actually are.

Who says it will?

Two assumptions:

1/. that temperatures are rising and will rise enough for that t ohappen 2/. That if - not when - it does, the methanee wont immediately break down as methane does in the atmosphere.

potentially

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A is normallty lamba. Climate sensitivirty.

For just CO2 is about 1.1C IIRC

I.,e. completrely unalarming. Thats the PHYSICS.

In order for it to become alarming is has to be multiplied by 'positive feedback' the existence of which has been completely refuted and would make the climate so unstable we wouldnt be here now.

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Balance? Skeptical science?

I assume you are being utterly sarcastic...

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