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 equivalent for 80% to 90% charging.  Due to lack of alternative, i have to
 charge to 100% to get to the next station.  That's highway robbery.
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he situation.  i blame the government for not doing the job of oversight.  
As your Non-Senator, i promise you free Air, Water and Electron in every pu
blic facility, taking full advantage of Other People's Energy (OPE).

Another political ignoramus, who thinks that socialism works the way right-
wing politicians like to claim it does.

Trot over to Scandinavia to see how it actually works. There's a risk that  
you may not want to come back.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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as equivalent for 80% to 90% charging.  Due to lack of alternative, i have  
to charge to 100% to get to the next station.  That's highway robbery.
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 the situation.  i blame the government for not doing the job of oversight.
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t-wing politicians like to claim it does.

So, you think providing street light is socialism?  L1 charging does not co
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On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 18:43:17 -0700, bill.sloman wrote:

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Or you could inform yourself correctly and avoid it like the plague:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YQ0UODUI9c




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How does "avoiding it like a plague" make you better informed?
  
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Cursitor Doom confuses far-right-thinking with right-thinking.

It's a mistake, but not one that he is equipped to detect.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney


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 Is the charging station on the highway?


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On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 07:13:50 -0700 (PDT), snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com
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Poor baby! You have to pay for fuel, same as poor people do.

Trade in your Leaf for an old beetle.



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lunatic fringe electronics  


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On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 1:41:29 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
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Not good advice. The old beetle makes less efficient use of the energy it gets out of the gasoline you have to put into it, so you pay a lot more per kilometre traveled.

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quivalent for 80% to 90% charging.  Due to lack of alternative, i have to c
harge to 100% to get to the next station.  That's highway robbery.

Is that a fast charger?  Yes, I know lots of chargers are very overpriced f
rom the consumer's point of view.  But I believe they are not fully utilize
d currently, so the price is not cheap.  Eventually competition will kick i
n but it will take time.  There are free level 2 chargers about.  

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  + Get a 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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Re: EV Charging: Let It Be Free
On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 06:51:30 -0700 (PDT), snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com
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At least it has a quantity limit per manufacturer. Tesla is about
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Envision veto.


Electric cars are mostly toys for relatively rich city-dwelling
greenies. Guys hauling hay in flyover country (now called "the
interior") aren't going to trade in their pickups for a Leaf.

Almost anything that is free is wasted.

What do you drive? Do you have a personal interest in free charging?


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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics  


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On 3/29/19 10:38 AM, John Larkin wrote:
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The Boston area is full of high-end pickups that suburbanites drive as a  
status symbol. they never see dirt, the Trump sticker and 4x4 logo on  
the back is immaculate.

Bling-trucks tend to have a life cycle the owner defaults on the  
payments on the 70k sticker price after a couple years and then a bunch  
are shipped to "the interior" where someone buys them for 1/4th their  
sale price and maybe does real work with them. That's fine with me.

Maybe I'll put a down payment on something else with the money I've  
saved on gas driving an EV the past couple years. Kind always wanted a  
Camaro. The V6 manual is the right choice for that car. it's pretty  
cheap as far as sporty-cars go.

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He seems to have bought an EV without a place to charge it at home and  
without doing the research on the local charging infrastructure prices.  
An unfortunate situation but finally a local problem.

The majority of the charging stations I use are either owned by  
businesses who provide free charge as a value-add for my frequenting  
their fine establishment, or by the local power company who has a vested  
interest in getting people hooked on their product. The electric utility  
company likes EVs just fine.



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I know a guy who just got a fully-loaded mega pickup, but he is a
construction type and does need to haul things. Some of those bling
trucks are hauling around Bosch dishwashers and sacks of lawn
conditioners for the Prius drivers.

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Me too. Those worker-guys probably appreciate the non-government
subsidies.

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My wife drives a Fit is fascinated by the Dodge Charger. Maybe I'll
rent one for her so she can have the experience.

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He advocates free charging to make up for his lack of research.


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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics  


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Charging is not a problem at home or near city, but it's a problem in EV desert area on freeway/highway.

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I am saying it's better to subsidize the end user (via charging) than manufacturers (via sales)

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On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 09:55:11 -0700 (PDT), snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com
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I think it's better to not subsidize anyone and let people pay for
their own choices and mistakes.


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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
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On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 10:35:28 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
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Yes, but subsidizing end user is the better of two evils, if i have to choose.  Otherwise, get rid of subsidy for all auto makers, oil companies, etc. as well.

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On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 10:44:04 -0700 (PDT), snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com
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Sure. You have paid for the car so now you want the fuel to be cheap,
with someone else paying you.


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On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 11:11:27 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
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Used car price also factors in the original credit.  I will likely buy another EV sometime in the future as well.

I want free charging for everybody, not just for me.  EV owners/drivers are entitled to the carbon tax credit, not manufactures.

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On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 11:19:33 -0700 (PDT), snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com
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Several places are considering a mileage-based tax, because EVs are
not paying the gasoline taxes that maintain the roads.

You want someone else to pay for your fuel and your roads too? Free
parking for EV owners? Free beer?


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On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 12:56:43 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
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Not directly, but i paid sales tax for the vehicle, sales tax for the Amtrak tickets where i park and charge, sales tax for the restaurant where i eat, sales and hotel taxes for the places i stayed.  I can hardly avoid any tax just breathing.


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rak tickets where i park and charge, sales tax for the restaurant where i e
at, sales and hotel taxes for the places i stayed.  I can hardly avoid any  
tax just breathing.

That's the problem with the notion of using government to make
other people pay for your stuff--they'll do the same thing right
back to you (and there are more of them, than you).

Cheers,
James Arthur

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"Government is the great fiction, through which everybody
endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."  ? Frederic Ba
stiat (1801-1850)

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On 3/29/19 1:35 PM, John Larkin wrote:
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What I noticed growing up lower-middle class in a town of the upper  
middle class and the just plain rich is that the poor tend to get  
penalized very hard for rather minor "mistakes" and the wealthy tend to  
get off scot-free for major ones. Crash your Benz while drunk at age 16?  
No problem. Local police quietly clean that situation up, your Dad is  
friends with the chief after all. and Mom just buy you a new one.

It's nothing new I guess but the more galling aspect is when that 16  
year old grows up into a 35-40 year old and in the intervening time has  
confabulated a story as to where their success came from. Not going to  
prison for things the poor sometimes go to prison for probably helps a lot.

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