Re: Google Groups

That's a new one, where did you get that from?

Do I take that as a tacit admission that vaccines don't protect you from infection? Have we also dropped the notion that it helps if you get infected?

So beforehand we were told - asymptomatic transmission, very important, anyone, even perfectly well people can give you covid but now, even people who are ill and infected are safer because of the vaccine?

Do people cough, sneeze and breath less ?

Why then hasn't covid stopped?

My friends wife had covid for at least the sec Cousin wrote" So sorry to be late replying . I have had Covid for the last week and have actually felt quite poorly . It‘s amazing that I have managed to dodge it for so long - my first Covid of the pandemic. Thinking that I‘ve had all the vaccinations offered and peoples comments that‘s it‘s ‘ like a bad cold now  lulled me into complacency. I am starting to improve but along the way I have felt pretty unwell, breathless and lost my sense taste / smell . I have had to cancel 3 days of work which I hate as I don‘t like admitting illness . To someone who loves their food and adores  eating experiences‘ I am going to be mighty upset if the sense of taste doesn‘t come back . Obviously I can‘t moan too much as being left on ITU on a ventilator is much worse !! Anyway I do feel I‘ve turned a bit of a corner today but (husband) has started sniffing and sneezing Œ..Oh dear . " end quote.

I've seen no evidence vaccines do much good but they do do harm.

Bob.

...and much of what governments were spewing out proved to be total bullshit. Probably the worst offender in this regard was Jacinda Ardern insisting that the Kiwis only trust her misbegotten regime, but there was plenty of authoritarian big-government nonsense to go around.

Re: Re: Google Groups By: The Natural Philosopher to TimS on Tue Feb 13 2024 09:25 am

This irks me the wrong way because if you have a weapon licensed as a sporting gun, and a truck runs a cow over in your village, you cannot put the dying cow down humanely because you get charged with unlawful weapon posesion (ie. you have a non-sporting gun now, and haven't got a non-sporting gun license).

And then they also charge you with animal cruelty on top of that.

F*ck Spain.

Yes, indeed fully agree and she is awful.

Bob.

Re: Re: Google Groups By: TimS to snipped-for-privacy@invalid.invalid on Tue Feb 13 2024 10:54 pm

I don't think Xi is such a big warmonger since he is taking heavy profits from the opposite approach - opening to trade and sending Chinesse workforce to develop poor countries to bring them into the Chinesse sphere of influence. I think his position regarding Taiwan is macho posturing. Putin has also a non-weak (I won't say "strong") case that the NATO is making open advances torward Russian interests and that Russian efforts to collaborate with NATO against common enemies have not been welcome.

For certain values of "work" that have little to do with your health...see below.

Absolutely. They "worked" to line the pockets of Pfizer and Moderna execs. Anthony Fauci also made a killing off of royalties regarding the poison jabs...never mind that his government paycheck was already bigger than the President's.

They also "worked" to give big-government authoritarians their wet dream of near-absolute control over society.

Re: Re: Google Groups By: TimS to Bob Latham on Tue Feb 13 2024 11:22 pm

b) I will mention that Spain dropped the ball here. We bought shitloads of covid jabs and, by the time a given mutation of the virus was done, we kept vaccinating pople against the old mutation instead of the new one because they wanted to clear the inventory of the old vaccines.

c) The selling point of the jabs was precisely transmission reduction around here. Imagine you put a brand or car for sale arguing that its special properties will make hair grow back on your bald head, and then no particular test is performed - even at an informal level - before the car hits the market.

And allegedly funding 'gain of function' work on viruses at the Wuhan lab.

Some people in governments and in society revealed themselves as ruthless authoritarian bullies. I understood for the first time some of what happened to the German people in the early 1930s. How on mass, people lost it and became an uncivilised mob.

Bob.

Oh dear. We have an ArtStudent™ mind. Stuck in Boolean logic.

You are asking an ArtStudent™ question.

The scientific questions is *how much* do vaccines reduce the risk of infection, and the severity of the subsequent disease, and the answer is, shitloads.

Anyone of any minor intelligence who actually thinks about it, understands that. Vaccines increase natural immunity. It takes more of someone else's virus load to make you sick and you wont get *as* sick.

So leave you stupid 'is it perfect?, if not it doesn't work' logic at home.

Yes, they cough, sneeze and breath less virus load.

It *has* stopped. Killing people. Vaccines have brought it down to flu level - a bad week maybe in bed with painkillers, and that's it. Not a life threatening infection with people gasping for breath and dying.

I suffer when my blood oxygen goes below 90%, which it has done at times when I was being loaded into an ambulance.

The [paramedics said 'its when its down at 50% an te patient is blue and gasping for breath, that we put on the blue lights and sirens' I saidf'whgen does that happen?'

'Covid'.

Who cares?

Almaist everybody has had it by now

Lucky cousin. Without vaccinations she would probably be dead.

The evidence is that the episode your cousin has is now as bad as it gets.

If you cant see that, don't get jabbed and die in a respirator gasping for breath, like so many others have.

So would you be if some dippy parents had named you 'Jacinda'

It's like a 'boy named sue' Its not her fault that people simply fall for the promises of the Big State to change their nappies for them and make everything all right.

I think I shall start the 'Life's a bitch, and then you die' party. Sack 90% of all government, let the people spend their money and make the world how they want it to be without government interference

As I said, babies and bathwater. The people making those vaccines really did try and they did succeed. Then it got into the hands of Marketing and Crony Capital

Well they were always going to seize that chance,m weren't they? But that doesn't mean they engineered it.

Don't be a simpleton. It's a mixture of fact and bullshit. To think its all one or the other is to be made a fool of.

It's always the same when left leaning idealists grab the reins. Grand designs. Unintended consequences.

Oh full personal attack mode I see. Thanks for that.

Evidence? I've seen none, not one jot.

Right so there is a video that shows presidents, prime ministers doctors and professors all claiming they didn't say it stopped you getting covid. Then the video goes on to show them all saying exactly that.

No Omicron. The virus continuously mutates and the covid virus followed the normal pattern of becoming more contagious and less deadly with each mutation. The virus gains nothing by killing the host.

I sympathise but it proves nothing.

Exactly.

The vaccines don't stop you getting infected, absolute fact !!

I've seen no evidence the vaccines improve your recovery. It *may* do but I've seen zero evidence only conjecture and wishful thinking by the guilty.

I've seen no evidence that it reduces transmission at all. The manufacturers have admitted that no testing on transmission was done.

Perhaps you've forgotten , the virus mutated to a much milder forms again and again, Alpha, Beta, Delta, Omicron.

It was Omicron that saved the day, it wiped away all the more deadly earlier strains. Don't you remember the data showing the deadly strains disappearing by the day as mild Omicron took over.

Probably, probably ?????

FFS !!!

What percentage of unvaxed adults do you think died of covid?

Greater than 50%? Probably ???

Absurd. The vast majority of unvaxed people with covid even the early nasty variants did not go to hospital or die.

Saturday February 22nd 2020. My wife and I both became very poorly and spent 4 days in bed. We had very bad flu like symptoms.

I have a weak chest which is prone to infection and so normally with cold or flu it goes directly there and I have considerable phlegm but not this time. I had a tickle cough never had that before in my life and the mother and father of a sore throat. So bad that sipping soup almost all day and night was the only relief. It was bad. A high temperature and few other nasties too.

At that time of course there were no tests available to buy and certainly no vaccines. It took us 5 weeks to recover.

Also at the time, we were constantly being told it wasn't in the country yet but we now know it was here before christmas 2019.

So we had the key symptoms of covid, we were very poorly and unvaxed at that time. we eventually recovered.

Can I prove I had covid Feb 2020 no of course I can't but I know we did.

That's mutation, I thought everyone knew that by now. Standard virus behaviour.

That's very disappointing to see you talk like this. Hateful for no good reason.

I thought you were logical.

Bob.

I know that. But instead of being warmongers they might have merely been strong leaders for their countries. Unluckily for the world, they *are/were* warmongers, when there was no need. And *that* is what we have to guard against and prepare for.

I'm not saying we should hand in our guns, because, essentially, we don't have any. But the govt should be training us to handle them, and laying in stockpiles.

Remember Typhoid Mary. And then there was the MMR nonsense, as a result of which measles is now on the increase.

Why would you test transmission, for a vaccine? It would never occur to me for a moment to imagine that a vaccine would affect transmission. What a vaccine does is prime your immune system so that, when you get infected, you beat off the infection double-quick, or at any rate only have a low-grade infection.

Yes, I know a number of people who've had it more than once.

That is so obvs I can't even believe people might dicsuss it.

Here you are exaggerating.

I don't waste time looking at random internet videos, so, no.

I've no idea what this means.

What is it you think you now know?

This makes much more sense.

Not according to my passport, which says "British Citizen".

You're out of date.

And there is still no justification for these weapons to be in private hands. Train us on them, yes, but only in an official context. Anything else is lunacy.

Look, we know all this. Why d'ye keep trotting it out as if it's profound in some fashion?

a) vaccines prime your immune system. So if you do get it, covid won't be as bad as it would otherwise have been.

b) viruses mutate. Which is why I keep taking the jabs as they are offered. It's routine now: I get a message from the climic and I go there are they give me a covid jab in one arm, and flu in the other, at the same time. This will now happen every winter. Prior to covid, I was getting the annual flu jab late every year. Only had flu once in the last 20 years - and that was because that particular jab was only goodd for 3 of the 4 strains going around, and I was unlucky.

c) Vaccines/transmission. Just because I'm vaccinated doesn't affect the virus load someone coughs on me. What vaccination *does* affect is subsequent events. Which is what counts. So stop bleating that the manufacturers did no transmission tests. Why would they? Why would anyone expect them to?

Re: Re: Google Groups By: Richard Falken to The Natural Philosopher on Wed Feb 14 2024 01:32 pm

Actually I am reading civ shooting ranges are now allowed to accept any gun fitting the range regardless its license class, so we did something right for a change.