That awful yellow glue on circuit boards...

Why are manufacturers still using that crappy yellow glue on circuit boards? You often see it securing large components such as electrolytics, board mounted transformers, and coils. When the glue turns from yellow to brown it becomes conductive. I don't know if heat or current or the combination of both cause it to change, but I've had computer monitors and VCR's malfunction because of it.

My latest experience is with a set of computer speakers--Boston Acoustics BA735. When I got them the volume was very low and there was a fairly loud 60hz hum coming from the subwoofer. The amplifier pc board inside the subwoofer has all the jacks mounted on one edge--power, din socket for the satellites, digital in, analog in, and a bass level pot. All these jacks had a liberal amount of this yellow glue poured between and behind them. Unfortunately this stuff was covering many surface mounted devices as well as a couple of electrolytics. Parts of it had turned dark brown and brittle. I scraped a lot of it using a serrated plastic knife (McDonald's) and carefully pryed away smaller bits using a dental pick. I had to desolder the din socket, digital in jack and caps to get some of it. After putting it all back together, the speakers sound perfect!

I guess the only reason the manufacturers still use this glue is because it's dirt cheap. They don't seem to care that it will cause the device to malfunction 5 years down the road. Silicon RTV would work so much better.

Reply to
James Jones
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I suspect that they _do_ care that it's going to contribute to premature failure.

Ken

Reply to
Ken Weitzel

The low cost consumer electronics is designed for a 2 to 3 year lifespan. The glue they use is a low cost fast drying adhesive that assists in holding the components in place during the automated soldering procedure. If they didn't use this type of glue, the cost of the end product would be higher.

Your solution is to buy better quality electronic equipment, where there is more hand assembly, and where they use more expensive procedures to do the assembly.

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My latest experience is with a set of computer speakers--Boston Acoustics BA735. When I got them the volume was very low and there was a fairly loud 60hz hum coming from the subwoofer. The amplifier pc board inside the subwoofer has all the jacks mounted on one edge--power, din socket for the satellites, digital in, analog in, and a bass level pot. All these jacks had a liberal amount of this yellow glue poured between and behind them. Unfortunately this stuff was covering many surface mounted devices as well as a couple of electrolytics. Parts of it had turned dark brown and brittle. I scraped a lot of it using a serrated plastic knife (McDonald's) and carefully pryed away smaller bits using a dental pick. I had to desolder the din socket, digital in jack and caps to get some of it. After putting it all back together, the speakers sound perfect!

I guess the only reason the manufacturers still use this glue is because it's dirt cheap. They don't seem to care that it will cause the device to malfunction 5 years down the road. Silicon RTV would work so much better.

Reply to
JANA

I've seen it in the past on top-of-the-line equipment. I doubt they use it to provide timed decay. Manufacturing is probably just not aware of the effects 10 years down the line.

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Reply to
Sam Goldwasser

So have I, notably on expensive, portable, two way radio equipment.

Dave

Reply to
Dave D

The stuff is also humidity-sensitive. The first time I ever encountered it was in a car radio which broke into audio oscillation in wet weather. I've seen it cause electrolysis between PCB tracks with a significant DC voltage difference, actually corroding right through them. And that was despite the fact that there was a layer of green solder resist between the tracks and the glue! You'd think that equipment manufacturers would have been fully aware years ago, of what that dreadful glue does as it ages. The fact that they still persist in using it implies that they know it's going to cause equipment failures a few years down the track. Bob

Reply to
Bob Parker

I wonder if hot melt adhesive is a viable alternative? That's what I use when I have to replace that awful glue and it has yet to come back to bite me- it seems fairly neutral.

Dave

Reply to
Dave D

Till late 2003, RCA was using hot glue to secure heavy parts and got bitten back because the heat and vibration (even 15.7KHz will) made hot melt glue slide through the lead and the solder breaking the solder bond.

Was used from before CTC169 all the way to few ATC113 then RCA smartened up and quit using it.

Sneaky.

Only, and only two ways: Do nothing with glue anything using good design practices or use silicone glue.

Cheers, Wizard

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Jason D.

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