So, now you want to convince everyone here that the force needed to make those blades bend was within the operational specs for the connector system?
Use a little common sense, or don't be a dork, take your choice.
If you are plugging some bent up plug into a power socket, you are an idiot for not servicing the plug before using the product it was attached to. Oh, and if you are seeing perfectly normal plugs coming out of an outlet, YOU need to service the outlet.
How's that for a spec, dipshit? or... How's that for getting yourself spec'd, as a dipshit, dipshit?
The standards aren't set around one person's requirements.
Graham
Because initially we had been talking about wall outlets and according plugs, with flat (US, UK) or round (most of Central Europe) contacts and those connectors are rated 15A/130V (US) or 16A/250V (Europe). So when talking about alternatives, we have to stay in the same ratings range.
Ah, that's what I reckoned, cords with the *international* standard socket type IEC 60320-C13 /max. 70°C/10A (and -C15 /max. 120°C/10A or max. 155°C/16A).
And there is also our famous Euro socket for small devices according to protection class II, the type IEC-60320-C7, which normally is the device sided end of the 2.5A Euro wall plug we had discussed earlier on.
But they all have in common, that they provide excellent user protection against touching of live parts *and* they all plug mechanically *into* the counterpart with their housing, hence guiding mechanically stress away from the contacts and into the housing.
"I" was a euphemistic "I", idiot.
As in I that represents any joe sixpack homeowner.
One does not need 16 Amp per outlet capacity.
It's widely used in Europe.
Graham
For example, my 7.5 amp 230v Dyson DC-14 vaccum cleaner. The 120 volt version draws about 15 amps.
Surprisingly, my Kenwood mixer uses 1000w (and there is a 1200w version). which is around 5 amps at 230 volts, and would be over 10 at
120. However, it seems that such a mixer is not available in the U.S.The Kenwood mixers sold in the U.S. are their smaller 600 watt units, and the much loved Kitchen Aid units are 350 watts, with one that's
500w.I seem to remember having a 12 amp or so toaster and hot water kettle in the U.S. Ours here are 1000 watts. Things like blenders are 300 to 400 watts, which would work with a 6 or 7 amp fuse, assuming the wattage rating is average and not peak.
A friend of mine has an HP laser printer that is rated 500 watts, but the peak draw is 8 amps at 120 volts. The manual and printer itself say
500 watts, the 8 amps was on the web site.I would not be very happy to use a device with an 8 amp peak draw on a
10 amp circuit. But I'm unusual in that. I always assume that manufacturers lie (inflate output power, but ignore peak usage) when they state current requirments and that anything that provides current is rated for that current for a peak of a few miliseconds or less.This is very common for transformers (which many people use here to operate
120 volt appliances brought in to avoid high taxes and huge markups) and UPS's for computers, both of which are sold as being rated in WATTS, but really are rated in VA which are 1.414 times as much.Geoff.
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That would suggest an approx 2.5 HP motor. Is it really that large, or is that the start up current?
A 1000 watt kettle would take forever to boil. UK ones are normally
2500/3000 watts.
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Yes, it's really that large. Dyson is a well known English brand, look it up. The exact model is DC-14 animal.
Geoff.
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I know what they are having fixed several. And seen many more on the council tip. A triumph of hype over common sense.
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Not only is it the best engineered appliance I've ever owned, it's the best vaccum cleaner I've ever owned. Dyson's design was so good that Hoover stole it and was sucesfully prosecuted for patent infringment.
It works well, and my totaly nontechnical wife can field strip it if it gets jammed, which is almost impossible.
Geoff.
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They also have racks of spares on sale in near any store. No other vacuum cleaner I know of breaks down so often.
A triumph of hype over engineering.
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Where, at twice the voltage, you need it even less.
A lot of electricians can't read or write very well? Several times I was called to straighten out wiring they couldn't figure out. For instance, five overhead wires between a house and a garage, all solid black plastic. Neutral, two Line connections, and a three way, outdoor light with switches in the house and garage. They were dropped to install vinyl siding, then they couldn't figure out how to reconnect the wires. The sad part was the insulators were in a straight line at each end, and none of the wires crossed another so it was obvious what was wrong.
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Try figuring out where 50+ pairs of audio cables go on a large school intercom system, after some idiot kid rips all the wires loose, AND removes the tags. It took two full 8 hr days.
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That is the IEC connector. It allows different cords to be used with the same equipment in multiple countries.
Have you ever had a desktop computer OR monitor that drew 3.68 KW? They were designed for exactly what they are used for: Portable, low power equipment.
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There's plenty of 3kW equipment here.
Graham
They're used on highish power equipment as well..
There's a 15A version too btw.
Graham
computer &
disagree.
Would you rather the plug held, and damaged the cable, so it caught on fire when you tried to use it? It did what it was supposed to do.
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