Gotta do Best TV thing again

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You should get a life.

What he said.

Hate to spoil things, but does it have full-bandwidht I/Q demodulation?

Not likely.

No you didn't, all TVs (except the Korean models, which weren't terrible) were reliable in the 80s. You can find these TVs along the side of the road, and I'll bet at least half of them still work. They're very simple circuit wise, and well built.

Performs? Most CRTs of this era have untinted glass which will render horrible black levels in typical room lighting situations. Some high end models used a somewhat dark tinted screen, others used an exterior tinted glass cover.

John-Del wrote: > On Sep 17, 6:21 am, TonyQ wrote: > > Somebody or some team designed one heck of a tv and I got lucky >

Stop raining on his parade. He's HAPPY with something. So it's not for you but it's good for him.

G=B2

Actually, I was trying to piss on his parade, but your point is taken.

It is absolutely no wonder why nobody ever talks about what happens when things go right.

So the person who bought this TV really likes it and thinks it's the best TV ever made. Even if isn't, so what?

William (has this 1983 era Zenith 13" table TV that to this very day works so unbelievably well...oh wait, never mind...)

I bought a television "monitor" from JC Penney back in 1977. The darn thing is still plugging along today. Picture quality is still great and so is the sound. It was one of the first stereo tv's on the market, so the seperation is a bit lacking, but other wise it's still a fantastic set. It's one of those that has more inputs and output jacks on the back than I know what to do with.

I don't plan on upgrading to digital until this gem takes it's last breath.

I know the best site about the best (high price) tv adjustment. cuhulin

Huh?

Not to p*ss on anyone's parade or anything, but quite frankly, I can't fathom how anyone can rave over analog CRT TVs anymore. Not when it's so easy to go into stores and view either SDTV or HDTV over LCDs or plasmas. It must take an enormous amount of mental rationalization to rave over old sets, IMO.

After buying an LCD monitor and HDTV STB for our main setup, we bought another STB for the upstairs setup. Used it with a very nice Sanyo CRT we had owned for a number of years. But honestly, it was hard to enjoy that anymore. Even fed from an HDTV STB, so the image was completely free of any ghost, the image on the analog CRT was so "TV-like" as to be uninvolving anymore. No definition, grainy, obvious shadow mask, just unacceptable anymore.

So we moved the downstairs set upstairs, and bought a bigger one for downstairs.

By the way, neither of the two LCDs we bought was adjusted even close to correctly, straight out of the box. My recommendation is to start by deactivating any of their auto picture adjustment gizmos, and go from there. Ditto with the audio. Don't be discouraged when the initial image looks totally underwhelming.

Bert

Hi!

One thing is the longevity...I've seen my old CRT TVs go past their 10th,

I *like* that kind of a lifetime out of a product, and I'm not sure we'll ever see it with the more modern LCD and Plasma TV sets. (Or maybe even the modern CRT sets for that matter.) I'm of the strong belief that most (if not all) of them won't last nearly as long because they were not made as well.

I am not saying that I would never buy an LCD or plasma TV set, but right now I see no reason to do so. I don't have any need for anything more than what the sets I have can offer, and I'm not going to throw them out while they still work fine and meet my needs.

William

I'd like to have seen it in the late-century CRTs as well. Just because they 'could' make them better--and in fact did at one time--doesn't mean that just any CRT will last even five years. I've had dozens of monitors and nearly as many TVs which I sh*tcanned because the CRT wore out.

They have a finite lifetime, after which the emissions inevitably decline. That's if the shadow mask doesn't warp or get dislodged, or a short doesn't develop.

That said, I like CRTs. I liked vinyl records as well. Make an LCD with the same attention to workmanship as the older picture tubes, add an easily-replaceable backlight (or an LED one which won't burn out)...and you have a product which should last longer than the average CRT.

Whether you'll think it looks as good is another question altogether.

Nor would/will I. I have a 15 year old RP CRT machine that suits me just fine. When it dies, though, I'll likely replace it with something that doesn't take up so much room and use as much electricity.

jak

In my opinion..............I think, if you can afford it, go buy a HDTV monitor, Reason? You only live once and it's well worth the cost, Don't miss out.

indeed... that was my backhanded message. Does the TV industry today think and function like Enron or MCI or Lehmann Bros management?

I never said my old CRT unit gave a BETTER picture than the good new LCD units. It has ended up to be an incredible value. Will I be so lucky when I buy an LCD model? It's up to you designers.... and corporate management, boys and girls.

I guess I missed the social message embedded in this. Just sounded really odd to see raves about the image of analog TV, that's all.

I was very, very glad to see LCD TVs of reasonably large size, and digital TV, become available. Even at a very young age, i.e. grade school age, I couldn't understand why TV images had to look so bad compared with movies, or why TVs had to be so enormous for such a small image area. TV always seemed to me to be a bad compromise, required to get images over RF. So I've been following the evolution of "advanced TV," then DTV, since way back in 1986, with great anticipation.

My own luck with analog TVs was so so. And I never saw any evidence whatever of them being built with any special care. Quite the opposite, if anything. Analog CRT TVs, as far as I could tell, were always far more cheaply built than any audio gear I've owned. Probably had to be that way, to keep the price down.

Our oldest analog TV was more than 15 years old when the flyback transformer fried in a dramatic display of sound and smoke. One quit working early on, just a couple of years old. I got it fixed, but that didn't last long. Newer ones quit typically after 7 or 8 years or so, with the image suddenly becoming ghosty, then recovering, then back to ghost, or with power supply problems. A couple of them shut off suddenly, then back on again, then off, etc. The last two CRTs we owned were still working when we gave them to charity. They were both around 9 or 10 years old.

My expectation is that LCDs, which do not need high voltages, should last fairly well. We'll see.

Bert

But LCDs *do* need high voltages, to run the electroluminescent or cold-cathode backlight that most large displays have -- and, indeed, backlight PSU problems are an extremely common failure mode on LCD monitors that are more than a couple of years old. I've seen quite a few die that way already.

My Dell 2001FP 20" LCD failed twice in four years. The customer service operative I spoke to said they're only engineered to last three years now, and it was unreasonable of me to expect to get any more than that out of a £600 monitor -- suffice it to say that I won't be buying from them again.

Eventually, LEDs will take over the backlight duties. That will fix 'that' problem. Dell already offers them as an option for some of their line of laptops.

That said, last week I saw my first OLED display. Major game change. Sure, it was a tiny 11" Sony TV, selling for (get this!) $2300; but the image was stunning. Simply amazing!

From no matter what angle, the image looked the same. If you could see the image at all, it looked the same as head-on, unlike an LCD where you have to be at the perfect spot for the image to look right.

I'm familiar with professional preview monitors (CRTs) which are not inexpensive in their own rite. Still no comparison. I said many years ago in this forum that LEDs would take over the flashlight industry. That's happened to a great degree. I'll make a similar prediction concerning these. They're just that good.

---Unless something else comes out that's better and cheaper; you'll have an OLED TV some day---

jak

Not to p*ss on anyone's parade or anything, but quite frankly, I can't fathom how anyone can rave over analog CRT TVs anymore. Not when it's so easy to go into stores and view either SDTV or HDTV over LCDs or plasmas. It must take an enormous amount of mental rationalization to rave over old sets, IMO.

After buying an LCD monitor and HDTV STB for our main setup, we bought another STB for the upstairs setup. Used it with a very nice Sanyo CRT we had owned for a number of years. But honestly, it was hard to enjoy that anymore. Even fed from an HDTV STB, so the image was completely free of any ghost, the image on the analog CRT was so "TV-like" as to be uninvolving anymore. No definition, grainy, obvious shadow mask, just unacceptable anymore.

So we moved the downstairs set upstairs, and bought a bigger one for downstairs.

By the way, neither of the two LCDs we bought was adjusted even close to correctly, straight out of the box. My recommendation is to start by deactivating any of their auto picture adjustment gizmos, and go from there. Ditto with the audio. Don't be discouraged when the initial image looks totally underwhelming.

Bert