Electronic Repair and Design group on Facebook

Can't use facebook, LinkedIn, or any of those websites, Often, can't even use dropbox to pickup a pic, between loading the PC with stuff, hanging, and/or crashing our systems, given up going there. Now youtube doesn't work, either.

Won't use facebook...

Greetings Larry, I don't like and won't use facebook. I'm sure it's fine for socializing but it's not so good for what you are trying to do. The newsgroup you posted this to is for text only. No pop up ads or any of that sort of crap. Since binaries can't be posted to this newsgroup it doesn't get flooded with spam. This means that messages download fast and don't take up much room on the hard drive. Airich

Which is it, repair or design?

20 years ago, this hierarchy consisted of sci.electronics and sci.electronics.repair It was some time in 1995 that Mark Zenier put in the effort to divide up sci.electronics into the multiple newsgroups we see today, design being one of them. But for some reason (and I wasn't around before late 1994), someone had seen fit to make .repair a separate newsgroup, even before any other subgroups were created.

And anyone who announces a facebook group here is a fool. Anyone left in a newsgroup is not going to be moving to facebook, we've made our choice and lived with the lesser traffic each year.

It was so much better in the old days, when someone had to prove a need for yet another group. It took more effort to create, but there was reasonable certainty that it would be used if it was created. Now, any Joe Blow can create a facebook page or a yahoo group, but that doesn't mean it will have value. That only comes if anyone uses it, and we aren't the ones who are going to homestead a facebook page.

YOu don't even mention a faq, which puts this new 'creation" way down. When Sam wrote those faqs, Radio Electronics magazine liked them so much that they made him the repair columnist for the magazine.

All you have is a facebook page, something any fool can create. It takes a lot more to actually make it valuable.

Michael

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The newsgroup works very well for me ! No way am I going to use facebook or any other social network for that matter.

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I won't even go to facebook or any of that shit to view a picture, let alone join it. I don't even like that imageshack and those other picture hosting shit site. Fuck all that.

I got ?Usenet, and I got a dropbox account for whatever files I want to put up.

SDaw a cartoon with a guy at tha PC and another guy over his shoiulder saying "OK, see where it says 'share my personal information and bank account info with all my exes and every psychopath out there ? You want to uncheck that'".

Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have obtained my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who were foolish enough to fall for their trickery.

I don't support spammers. I don't support con merchants. I don't support liars. I don't support thieves.

I shall not be joining.

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Hmmm... In my considerable experience, as far as I can determine, Facebook does not spam. I'm not sure what you're talking about or whether it's really from Facebook.

One thing Usenet can be relied on is to bring out negative reactions to virtually anything, especially if it was invented after 1980, the year in which computers and networks were perfected.

I would point out that so much of these newfangled things rest on all the experimentation and experience that has happened on Usenet over 30 years.

"LOl", cross-posting, spamming, they were in Usenet long before these other things arrived.

People just follow blindly, so facebook is "social media" without anyone really looking into what that means. I would point out that when I was trying to get groups to use the internet circa 1997, one group said "but it's too technical" and I said "no, it's social" which certainly defines usenet long before the carpetbaggers arrived.

If nothing else, the old spaces were defined by RFCs, and were given away, to win success because it worked. So gopher faded away, but email still remains, even as the younger generation wants to use twitter instead. The old ways were about giving osmething away, to set standards. The new ways are to build branded spaces, to win the viewership over from the competition. Facebook doesn't really care about what your experience on facebook is like, they only care if you leave, because then their chance at raking in money goes away (I can't even remember if facebook is making money yet). Their goal is not the common good, their goal is to make money, and you are the content to lure the eyeballs to the advertising.

I have a page about upcoming local used booksales, I've been posting about them (first to the local newsgroup, then to a webpage) since 1997. It was part of a bigger strategy to widen the contents in the local newsgroup to lure more people in, who in turn would share their obscure interests and lure more people in. SOme guy putting up a webpage represents the internet of old, doing it because they can, because it costs so little. The new internet has yelp!, pretending to be community, yet someone is getting rich off the free content.

IN 1996, Inet '96 met here, a confereance about the internet. A good number of the workshops there were about "community networking", and the fear was that all the space would be commercialized. Odd, since at that point, commerce on the internet was a relatively new thing, while it had been communal and cooperative for so much longer. But while commerce can't drive out pages like mine (I pay for the space for the webpage, no freebie for me), or usenet, commerce is so much bigger it dwarfs the good. Few see what we were doing in the old days, few see that we still exist. So some political group that doesn't like trucks driving around for the purpose of showing off billboards, they can't see what's wrong with facebook, because in all their "internet life", commerce has been here. These are the same people who think commerce has given them "community", ie "web 2.0", becuase they just don't know what was there before.

Michael

have

SED started in the early 1980s. Mark Z. must be some Johnny come lately, as Big 8 was already in place in 1995. SED predates Big 8. That is why it has no charter.

?-)

alone join it. I don't even like that imageshack and those other picture hosting shit site. Fuck all that.

put up.

saying "OK, see where it says 'share my personal information and bank account info with all my exes and every psychopath out there ? You want to uncheck that'".

Yep. And about 100 more just like it plus new ones all the time.

?-(

Untrue.

ALL the social networks spam, usually by harvesting users address books, particularly those stored on mobile devices.

Linkedin is the worst...

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ook does not spam.

I remain skeptical. I see all my incoming e-mail (including huge amounts t hat are set aside by the spam filter) and none of it is from Facebook or Li nkedIn. From LinkedIn I get notifications when someone gives me an invitat ion or a recommendation, but I don't consider that spam -- it is notificati ons that I signed up for.

As I said, in my experience Facebook does not spam. Are you yourself recei ving spam from Facebook? What does it say?

Copied below. It's from 2007 (yikes, I hold emails & grudges that long...) so admitedly their current policies could have changed. If ye already have a facebook account (which I did shortly after) possibly the messages stop then.

================ "John has:

11 friends I've added you as a friend on Facebook... Hi Adrian,

I've requested to add you as a friend on Facebook. You can use Facebook to see the profiles of the people around you, share photos, and connect with friends. Now everyone can join Facebook, even if you couldn't before.

Thanks, John

P.S. Here's the link:

This e-mail contains promotional materials. If you do not wish to receive future commercial mailings from Facebook, click here. Facebook's offices are located at 156 University Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94301" =============

Anyone got similar after 2007?

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Michael Black prodded the keyboard

Very very true !

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Where you getting this?

I started reading sci.electronics in late 1994, only that and sci.electronics.repair existed.

I know longer find Mark's guide to the hierarchy at his own location, but there is a copy at

So I was off a bit, the division, which created .design along with the other subdivisions came at the beginning of 1996.

Michael

They have been spamming me for months, having harvested address books containing my e-mail.

This month so far:

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Precisely. And if you ever catch up with these folks in real life, they will swear blind that they never intentionally sent out those emails.

Facebook *do* spam.

It's unwanted, unnecessary and worse, since facebook claim property ownership over _everything_ shared on there, it's a risky place where your design ideas will be taken from you, for their profit - read the small print....

So a Electronic Repair and Design group? Stay well away, people.

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