Audio cassette alignment revisited

OK, it is working now.

Once you record a square wave successfully, and it comes back square, play it in different decks to make sure they put out a mostly square wave. Do al l of this with the Dolby turned off, or with HX only. If oyu have a deck wi thHX and theothers without, use the HX one to record always, even oi the he ad is more worn it will make a better recording. Of course I recommend dubb ing everything that is non-replaceable, but that is your perogative.

The first thing I would recommend is to post the model numbers of all these things. We might be able to get the service manuals online from like HIFIe ngine or HIFImanuals. These will allow us to identify the parts that will a ge, like electrolytics and tantalum caps. the small poly ones and all that will either uisually be shorted, open or something, and it will be noticabl e and most likely in one channel.

Assuming tape head wear is not really bad, the channels should be equal. wh en the heads start losing it, usually the left goes first being the edge tr ack. Hopefull your decks have (working) pad pushers and use regulated tape tension to maintain head to tape contact.

I would record the square waves and see which ones record the best and whic h ones play back the best. Are any of these things three head ? Evne in the high end units, not all are. And hopefully they are not autoreverse.

There are mainly only so many alignments to do and not all exist on all mac hines. You have playback EQ, this may be separate for 70 and 120 uS, depend s. that's something we want to know. When it comes to record there may be a nother for metal tape if equipped.

Then comes Dolby calibration. Dolby calibrated at the factory is almost nev er right because they use the absolutely best type of tape for their unit o f course, to get the best specs. If you plan on dubbing the material out to another format like CD or FLAC on the computer, you might want to calibrat e the Dolby for the source tape used. The only other good way to ake the no ise reduction work right is to have an outboard Dolby decoder, though if th e deck has output level controls that PRECEDE the Dolby decoder, you're in luck and don''t have to go through all that.

This is why we need the prints for these things. There are different ways t o proceed, depending on not only which adjustments are provided, but also t he exact architechture of the machine.

We coid just wing it, but you indicated you want to be sure and not guess. To do that we need to establish a reference and to do that we need to know what COULD be wrong electronically.

As such I highly recommend we get the prints, in fact if you have them you could scan them and upload them to one of those cloud things like dropbox p or photobucket. In fact if they are clear scans they might be better than w hat is available out there. I have seen some terrible ones.

When you get into recording though, tha tis a whole new ballgame. Underbias will cause a loss of a certain range of frequncies, probably around 2Khz t o 5Khz or so. Overbias will lose the real high end, even worse. both condit ions cause odd order distortion. Too much bias will cause compression of th e peaks wheras too little bias will cause expansion of the peaks.. Either i s a nonlinearity and results in high harmonic distortion. This can only be removed with big buck digital sound equipment which I doubt any of us has.

Really, give me the model numbers. We can go from there after you run some square wave tests. If these decks have continuously variable bias, you migh t just be able to make a good enough test tape. The square wave will tell y ou the general response quite accurately, and don't be disappointed if it s hows what looks like ringing. that is characteristic of the system.

what causes that is that the response is not flat, and I mean not like anyt hning else that is unflat. It is not simply a rolloff usually. When they sa y +-3dB, it could mean +2Db at 2,100Hz, -2.5Db at 3,000Hz, 0Db at 5,000Hzz, +2,8Db at 8,000Hz, -2Db at 9,300Hz, and so forth. They ALL do that. (of co urse that's not really worse than most speakers)

If they don't you have some DAMN GOOD decks there.

The square wave tels all, except distortion. For that we will have to find a way to mix two frequencies, just like they to run an intermodulation dist ortion test. When it comes to tape recording, the cause for both THD and IM distortion are the same so the results are the same.

The reason a square wave test should work at least halfway decently is that it is extermely unlikely that faults could be in both the record and play and null out and resut in a good recording. the odds are astronomical again st. So that is one of the facts we use to try to determine some sort of ref erence.

We can do this, remember those signs that say :

:We the unwilling, Led by the unknowing, Have been doing so much, With so little, For so long, We are now qualified to do anything with nothing" ?

That's me. I can align the record section of a VCR without freq. counters o r any of that stuff. I'll reveal how on request, I remember a bunch of thos e early Funais came in with the controls all whacked out by the customer. I was the one to get them done without ordering a shit ton of equipment.

This is no different. In the meantime if we ruin into any real difficulty I think I might be able to pump some info or maybe even something resembling a test tape on one of the purely audio forums.

I knda like doing shit like this, ust because you "can't" haha.

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jurb6006
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What reference fluxivity should I use?

The "reference fluxivity" section of a Calibration Tape is normally used to set the reproducer gain on a tape recorder with a vu meter so that the output level reads 0 dB. The reference fluxivity you should use depends on: your program level meter (whether a standard vu meter, a standard peak program meter, or something non-standard); the kind of blank tape you'll be using; whether you'll be using a noise reduction system (e.g., Dolby, dBX); and whether you desire "tape compression."

For some specific recommendations, see the literature from the manufacturer of the tape you'll be using, and also see MRL's Choosing and Using MRL Calibration Tapes...., Sec. 1.2.6 and Table 2 (pages 4 and 5).

Common usages are 200 nanowebers per meter [nWb/m] for older and consumer-type tapes; 250 nWb/m for general studio usage; and 500 nWb/m with the highest output mastering tapes when "tape compression" is desired. If you have a Calibration Tape that is not at the reference fluxivity that you want, but is otherwise correct, you can easily use it to set your reproducer for a different reference fluxivity by the method shown in Choosing and Using..., Sec. 2.3.1 "Shifting the Reference Fluxivity".

Which test signals should I use?

Multifrequency Calibration Tapes

These tapes are the "old traditional alignment tapes" sold by Ampex and others since 1948. They have 18 or 20 shorter tones -- 1 kHz level set,

8- and 16-kHz azimuth set and preliminary frequency response, and 13 frequencies from 32 Hz to 20 kHz. for frequency response. The 13 frequency response tones measure the response over the entire audio spectrum, and are necessary for diagnosis and repair of reproducers with poor frequency response. They are also needed to set up a reproducer when the equalization is not already known to be adjusted close to optimum. An example would be calibrating a newly-purchased machine for the first time. Though more expensive, multifrequency tapes are the most generally useful. Once a reproducer is set up with a Multifrequency Calibration Tape, routine checks at 1 kHz and 10 kHz are usually adequate, and those tapes are shorter, and therefore both less expensive to purchase, and quicker to use.
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dave

The OP was talking about a standard calibration tape for Philips Cassette.

Step 2: What kind of tape are you recording on? There's three common "operating levels" (see below for definitions) of recording tape our MRL tapes will cover: +3 dB, +6 dB, and +9 dB. Ampex/Q 406, 407, 408, 480, and 478 are +3dB and use 250 nWb/m calibration tapes. RMGI Emtec SM911, LPR35, & Ampex/Q 456 and 457 are +6 dB and use 355 nWb/m calibration tapes. Also, the very high output tapes like RMGI Emtec SM900, Ampex/Q GP9 are +9 dB tapes and can also use the 355 nWb/m tapes by setting the operating level on playback to a -3 VU on the meters. Why not have a +9 or a 520 nWb/m calibration tape? Most users of tape use either RMGI Emtec SM911, RMGI Emtec SM900, AMPEX/Q 456 or AMPEX/Q GP9 (and soon the ATR Magnetics tapes). The 350 nWb/m tapes will cover both with a -3VU output adjustment for the +9 tapes. Step 3: How many adjustments to your deck are you going to do? Usually, the main adjustments are the "operating level" and the azimuth adjustment to the heads. The next in line adjustment would be the low frequency equalization. Beyond that, MRL offers calibration tapes that offer complete octaves of frequencies over the whole spectrum of hearing.

Operating Levels: (See also "What Tape Should I Use?" in our archives section Open reel recorders record at different "operating" levels depending on the deck's design and the tape you are recording on. The "maximum" operating level means this is the setting that will read "0 VU" on your meters with respect to .776 V or NAB 0 VU. AMPEX/Q 407 is a +3 dB tape for instance which means that when your deck is calibrated for a +3 dB tape that "0" on your VU meters is actually +3 dB with reference to the NAB "0".

What do you gain with elevated levels? By being able to record "louder" or "hotter" on the tape the residual noise level on the tape drops with respect to where your recording levels are set. To explain this, think of it this way. If your recordings are recorded hotter you will have to turn down your sound system's volume control compared to a recording not recorded at a hotter level. By turning down the volume control you will get the same music sound volume but the noise floor is reduced.

The noise floor becomes very critical in multi track situations where all the tracks of music and residual tape hiss are mixed together. In this situation, the noise floor becomes much more of a critical issue than simply copying a two track master tape, for instance.

Most consumer decks are set to a specific operating level. There were no

+9 dB tapes around at the time, and these decks mostly can not take advantage of the increased recording volume. But you can gain even more headroom with these tapes. RMGI Emtec SM900 saturates at roughly +18.5 dB over a +9 dB operating level. If your deck is set to a +3 dB operating level like many consumer decks are, you'll gain an additional 6dB headroom by not recording as hot.

Just because a tape has a +9 dB or +6 dB operating level doesn't mean you have to record at that level. It's a recommended setting, not a must. When buying a calibration tape, buy one according to your deck's settings. You might be able to boost your settings by +3 dB but +6 dB would be a stretch unless you have a studio quality recorder.

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dave

I believe it's 200nW/m for cassette, 250nW/m for open-reel. I once aligned a ReVox consumer deck for Scotch ultra-high-output tape, and set it at least 6dB higher. Otherwise, the meter would have banging at peak output.

The level for cassette is not really negotiable, because it's supposed to represent Dolby level.

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William Sommerwerck

The OP wanted to know the tape's /playback/ response. Recording test tones isn't going to tell you how flat the /playback/ response is. For that, you need a high-quality reference tape.

One of the problems with cassette reference tapes (as opposed to open-reel) is that the wavelengths are so short, the tape's HF output will slowly decline, as the tape self-erases. If you want an accurate measurement, you're going to need a recently manufactured tape from a reliable supplier (such as MRL). These are not cheap.

If you have a Nakamichi, there's another problem. Nakamichi's playback heads supposedly had lower losses and correspondingly greater HF output. Rather than adjusting the standard playback curve to compensate, Nakamichi took advantage of the higher output and used less recording pre-emphasis, to increase HF headroom.

The OP is worrying about something that isn't of great importance. If the heads are in good condition, then the response should be pretty much what is was when the deck was manufactured. And you're not going to have much component-value drift in a solid-state recorder.

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William Sommerwerck

Whoops! True, but... There were cassette decks in which Dolby level -- on the meter -- was 2 or 3dB above 0VU.

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William Sommerwerck

dolby Type B or C. Standard or metal oxide. Metal was more Nanowebers

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dave

HX was when I started using VHS HiFi for archives.

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dave

The reference level remains the same, regardless.

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William Sommerwerck

HX was not a noise-reduction system (though it was controlled by the Dolby B level-sense circuitry).

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William Sommerwerck

Dolby HX decreases the bias dynamically during times with alot of (mainly) high frequency content. This helped avoid tape saturation and allowed recor ding at significantly higher levels, or at normal levels with significantly less distortion.

the first units I noticed it on were Harmon Kardons I think which actually had a switch to disable it, and you could record at +6Db or so and see a bi g difference oin the playback level, though of course you had to switch the switch while recording. the results were VERY noticable and later HX equip ped units omitted the switch because nobody would wnat to turn it off.

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jurb6006

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I has been fun reading this thread. My personal issue is where to get an open reel (1/4 inch wide tape, 7-inch max reel size) setup and calibration tape for my old Ampex AX-300 semi-pro tape deck.

?-)

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josephkk

open reel (1/4 inch wide tape, 7-inch max reel size) setup and calibration tape for my old Ampex AX-300 semi-pro tape deck. "

They have them all over the place on the planet Meezar 5. Twelve bucks.

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jurb6006

See they have a different time constant there.

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jurb6006

B has a reference level, Does C? Or is C more like DBX? I know there was a switch for Metal Oxide.

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dave

Variable bias. It's all coming back to me. Useless knowledge from another dimension..

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dave

MRL seems to be offered by several vendors. They can cost in the hundreds. Do you have all the fish scales required for mechanical alignment? We used the 10 kHz tone on the beginning of NPR tapes for azimuth reference. Are you using stock electronics on the 300?

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dave

All Dolby NR systems are level-sensitive. dbx is not.

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William Sommerwerck

OK, now who ever used Dolby A ?

That's right, since there is a B is implies there was an A. There was, it was used on a porfessional level. It was also level sensitive of course.

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jurb6006

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Not necessarily.

dBaseII was dominating the database market at one time. There never were a dBaseI. Also, the company was called Ashton-Tate, but while there were a Tate, there never were an Ashton.

But anyway, Dolby A was/is? used professionally, eg. in recording studios.

Leif

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Leif Neland

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