JOB - F/T or contract, near Boulder, CO

So why don't you say where you are???

Ian

He does.

Regards,

-=Dave

It's in the US. Boulder, Colorado to be specific. A small city not too far from Denver.

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

DOh!!!

I must learn to read topic I must learn to read topic I must....

Ian

Ceci n'est pas un courriel.

Actually, the OP should learn to make his messages understandable without going back up to read the subject line.

Who is buried in Grant's tomb?

"HickoryStick" wrote

Who is on first.

Pourquoi pas?

Ian

He didn't. First off, it should have been in the text of the message as well as the subject - that's common usenet practice.

And secondly, this is an international newsgroup. "near Boulder, CO" is not a suitable way to write an address. Admittedly they specify that they are looking for local people, but my guess is that there are people who would be happy to move across the USA, or even *to* the USA, for a good enough job - even if the movement was at their own expense.

Is it in fact legal in the USA to specify something like "you need to be local" ? Except in cases where local knowledge is essential to the job, I'd have thought that was akin to "you need to be under 30", or "you need to be a white male protestant republican sports-hero etc."

"David Brown" wrote in news:bosv2e$b3a$ snipped-for-privacy@news.netpower.no:

I don't believe it is illegal to discriminate on that basis, I could be wrong. You cannot discriminate based on race, religion, age, gender, physical handicaps. In some places you can add sexual orientation to the list, I think Boulder is one such place. Did I miss any?

You can discriminate based on whether or not a person is a sports hero too.

Agreed. But the OP did many things right: tagged the post as a job listing, including type and location. The job title should have been added and the subject information repeated in the message body.

Regards,

-=Dave

It's not racial or sexual discrimination. I very much doubt that it's illegal. If it *is* illegal, then the law is commonly flouted.

It is *certainly* not illegal to say "We will not pay to relocate anyone, and we will not wait for you to obtain permission to work in the USA, nor will we assist with legal expenses related to same".

snip

You guys are having too much fun... But to clarify, we are a consulting company in Lafayette, Colorado, USA.

Not wanting to eliminate people (probably non-native Coloradans like myself) I used "near Boulder". As Spehro noted, Boulder's a small city. But nearly everyone in the US has heard of Boulder. I've met Colorado natives that don't know where Lafayette is (pop. 27000 or so).

We do primarily embedded software work here. We also do about anything else that needs to be done, although we subcontract most of it. (VB as an example. Don't know it, don't want to, but we've got some excellent VB people who work for us.)

We also do a ton of MicroC/OS-II porting in support of our sister company Validated Software Corp., colocated in the same offices. Validated does software testing and Validation Suites (tm) for safey critical systems (medical products, avionics, nuclear, etc.)

As to the discriminating by location comment, in reality anyone who sends a resume with good enough qualifications, can get offered an on site interview (travel and relocation at their own expense). Despite my comment about local, I have received resumes from Indian, Taiwan, Pakistan, Bulgaria, Russia, etc. Of course I also received resumes from people who program in fortran, java, etc. as well as former, managers, VPs, etc.

In summary (rant coming to close), I have watched this newsgroup quite carefully, especially the LA job post and responses from a few weeks ago. In spite of any negative comments, I decided to attempt to solve my problem (need for another engineer), and help the local job market by attempting to fish where the fish hang out. I could have dumped a $1000 in the local papers and run an ad, but the people I'm looking for better be looking here (and the other ng I posted) anyway.

No doubt about it, I'm very fortunate. I have more work than we can currently do with our existing team. My best wishes to all you who aren't so fortunate. Let's hope and pray for a better year in 2004.

Scott Nowell ExoTech R&D, Inc. | Validated Software Corporation Lafayette, Colorado, USA

And, in fact, I suspect the OP doesn't care, if there's a guarantee that the employee will be local *after* hiring.

I'd

I would have thought you could not discriminate for any reason that was not related to the person's ability to the job. Maybe the rules typical in Europe are different from those in the USA, and maybe it's just my naive ideas of what the rules *should* be. I've never been on either side of such job adverts, so I don't really know - I'm just curious.

That seems perfectly reasonable. Is it so common for companies to offer to pay relocation costs that it makes sense to mention it in a job advert?

"David Brown" wrote in news:bou3dv$81c$ snipped-for-privacy@news.netpower.no:

I am just about 100% certain it is not illegal here in the US. There are things you cannot discriminate based on, but those would be race, gender, age, religion, handicaps, and in some places, sexual orientation.

Depends on the industry, it is not uncommmon at all in the software industry to pay for relocation.

Graeme Faelban wrote in news:Xns94318BAF9ADA3richardrapiernetscap@130.133.1.4:

Bah, forgot to change that sig for this newsgroup.

People don't go to Lafayette for the Italian restaurants anymore?