OT: Balancing Act

Dec 13, 2013 37 Replies

Balancing Act...


6-armed chandelier, globes evenly (60°, 12in radius) spaced

Hung it, leans like a @#$%^



Weighed each of the globes (accurate scales)...


2# 0.8oz
1# 15.6oz
1# 12.4oz
1# 10.0oz
1# 10.2oz
2# 3.6oz

Made in China, 9.6oz between lightest and heaviest :-(



What's the best order for closest balance ?:-) ...Jim Thompson



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Add weight to the light ones ?

My first thought, but there's no place that wouldn't be visible.

Isn't there a nice tidy mathematical solution ?>:-} ...Jim Thompson

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6 is a small number. Even 6 factorial is small enough for modern CPUs.
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6! = 720, but I doubt that it takes that many trials... due to the symmetry. ...Jim Thompson

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Trial and Error? Or average of adjacent globes? (Gn-1 + Gn + Gn+1)/3

15.6 6.666 0.8 8.8 10.0 7.73 12.4 10.86 10.2 8.73 3.6 9.8

Maybe move that 12.4 around.... Don't forget to number them;)

Cheers

They're already tagged by weight ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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Is the chandelier level with no globes installed?

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I'll bet it's faster overall to let the CPU crank through the duplicates than it is to write the code to skip them.

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Out of the box mode: Use christmas decorations to balance things.

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What the hell does "1#" and "2#" mean? Six globes, six weights. Ah, "lbs".

Fix (any) one of the weights at (0,1) -- call it W0. (radius is immaterial -- assume all weights are point sources equidistant from a center at (0,0) -- for easy math!)

For each permutation of the remaining 5, assign the weights to (0.866,0.5), (0.866,-0.5), (-0.866,0.5), (-0.866,-0.5), and (0,-1).

Compute the center of mass as ( sum (Xi * Wi), sum (Yi * Wi) ) = (X,Y) ignoring the constant scale factor (but don't forget W0 @ (0,1)!)

[Wi being weight of i-th globe, (Xi,Yi) being the above locations]

Score this as X^2 + Y^2 (no need to take sqrt) to determine it's "off-centerness"

Minimize "score" over the set of possible permutations.

[Actually, this does twice as many evaluations as needed but a no-brainer to code in this incarnation!]

High school programming assignment. (Have I missed something obvious?)

Maybe Sparky Larkin can impress you with his POWER BASIC prowess!

:-/

Probably ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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Have any extra wheel weights? :)

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Maybe, as a starter: D B A F C E

Or turn on the heavy ones to make them lighter??

yes, due to the symmetry (which is 12) you only need to try 60 combinations.

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Probably got answered already, but two ways...use octave and 'play' with formulas, or...wade in.

Just like packing a box, start with the largest and work your way to the smallest.

Ah, ha! I see the problem now. There's a vector torque in there. This requires a 2D distribution solution. So then think in terms of trying to 'uniformly' distribute the 'mass' over the 'area'. Thinnk largest to smallest single then in pairs, then in 'sheets' of 3 etc. Wow, tougher then it first seemed! Screw it, go buy bulbs all the same weight!

Jim,

Just went through it, can't get there from here, at least not without quite a bit of unbalance! Sorry.

You'll have to put an unobtrusive 'ring' wieght around each bulb. Each weight cosmetically the same, yet each weight has a 'different weight to make each 'bulb system' the same weight.

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