# flipping of earth's poles

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Supposedly, the earth's magnetic poles have reversed several times.

A permanent magnet implies a DC current. That means charges, with mass, orbiting. A pole reversal implies a current reversal, does it not? Wouldn't this represent a massive violation of angular momentum conservation?

-- Rich

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No, an electromagnet implies a DC current. Permanemt magnets seldom include batteries.

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Current has very little mass.

John

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Why should it... the total angular momentum of the earth is conserved, including mass and energy (equivalent mass).

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I think a current reversal does cause the poles to flip, but only a tiny amount of mass in the atmospheric winds is responsible for this reversal. The main magnetic field is governed by the much smaller atmospheric magnetic effects. See:

fhumag

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Actually, a magnetic field implies a moving electric charge. The Core is metallic, and it and its electrons rotate (move) , along with the rest of the planet. This is a more likely source for the Earth's magnetic field.

The cause of reversals is less easily explained, but, still ultimately arises from Core dynamics.

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RichD wrote in news:f54cb993-336b-4c57-abd5- snipped-for-privacy@y10g2000prc.googlegroups.com:

This is fairly old stuff (I'm not up to date on this), but take a look at

for an idea on the basis for current (pun intended) thinking. The general notion is that the outer core is a convecting, electrically conductive liquid. Each convection cell can be thought of as an electric dynamo, generating both current and a magnetic field. The Earth's dipole field is simply the sum of all the fields generated by all the numerous convection cells in the core. Since the core's convection is turbulent, the convection cell structure changes with time - some grow, some die, some are born - and as the core convection changes, so does the Earth's magnetic field. Hope this helps.

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Several? Magnetic striping of the Pacific basin. Yeah, "several."

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More than a supposition, magnetic particles in ocean ooze point like compass needles, and freeze in direction when the ooze consolidates. This makes a fossil magnetic record.

It might, if the charged particles weren't interacting with other masses. That's not the case, though: inside the earth, molten material is known to circulate in convection cells, and only a small part of its mass carries charge.

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I think a current reversal does cause the poles to flip, but only a tiny amount of mass in the atmospheric winds is responsible for this reversal. The main magnetic field is governed by the much smaller atmospheric magnetic effects. See:

fhumag

Excellent job. "This may explain the nature of magnetic reversals since magnetic reversals are often associated with the onset of ice ages. Radical changes in the Earth's weather patterns could make winds moving from East to West, dominate winds moving from West to East. This reversal would also cause the entire Earth's magnetic field to flip."

You are very busy man so try to rework a little your Explanation. Take into account:

1. The Earth surface and the atmosphere has the excess of electrons.
2. The electrons are in the atmosphere only on the H2O. (Dry air is the excellent insulator),
3. At ice ages no H2O in the atmosphere, (the electrons are only on the surface of the Earth),
4. At ice ages the total excess of electrons may be lower, (they escape into space like on the Moon),

Of course you should start with this: "The way that this could work is that the upper atmosphere which contains the strong winds like the jet stream is ionized by incoming cosmic rays which gives the upper atmosphere a positive charge. If a positive charge is moved in a circle from west to east, it would generate the magnetic poles with the same polarity as we see them on Earth. This is in accordance with the known physical properties of charges.You would get the same effect if you swung a bag of positively charged ions around you in a counter-clockwise direction"

The whole atmosphere has the excess of electrons. The maximum is at the equator. There are now winds (in the upper atmosphere) from East to West. What was in ice age nobody know. S*

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You should consider again what Uncle Al said : #Quote idiot Put something in your head before you open your mouth. Remember all the crap you were taught in high school? Ignore it, then learn how to think.

-- Uncle Al #Unquote

This is so appropriate after reading such nonsense from above, including Brad 's

Indeed there was never any Glaciations nor Glacial Ages nor Paleo Ice Ages of any kind etc , further the stability of Earth is quite well established, that such "accident" can only be the result of Cosmic encounter. ... and such have indeed left their marks in the Earth Relief, which are called Orogensis ( Caledonian, Hercynian, Alpines for the main ones)

I find it amazing how the reptilian mind has taken preemininance in Mankind 's thinking with that constant groping in the dark, tossing eagerly with anything and its contrary, while considering every Jo Blow & his dog's opinion as respectable. No, the complexity of issue make it impossible to resolve that riddle in such a spastic way, grinding on with aspect of the whole one after the others.

Truth is elsewhere indeed !

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More drivel from you Turdo? (following your claim that the equator once ran North/South)

22 Nov 05 (Turd speak): ... as for Einstein that man was a fraud and still more a plagiarist. His Relativity theories are the proof of a world where the scientists have become completely mad, to the point of not being able to add and subtract.

Al Eistein is an excellent example of this, madly tossing with the time constant which is something which does exist as such, but is only an Anthroposophical based concept. The notion of time, as is well known in Psychology, varies according to the metabolism of the person. Children for example live fast, while old people from 50 onwards live slower & slower

31 Jan 06 (Turd Speak): Indeed, the Land Of Bastards was born from the sea only 11 700 years ago ?... a mere few days after the Moon struck the Earth just a bit East of it,
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Ages of any kind etc , further the stability of Earth is quite well established, that such "accident" can only be the result of Cosmic encounter.

O.K. But after the "accident" the Earth come back to former stability slowly or after the next accident?

are called Orogensis ( Caledonian, Hercynian, Alpines for the main ones)

Mankind 's thinking with that constant groping in the dark, tossing eagerly with anything and its contrary, while considering every Jo Blow & his dog's opinion as respectable. No, the complexity of issue make it impossible to resolve that riddle in such a spastic way, grinding on with aspect of the whole one after the others.

For me it is amazing that the terminology is the main cause the constant groping in the dark. In the atmospherical electricity the technical terminology is used (not physical). In the technical "+" and "-" describes the direction of electric current. In physics the excess or the deficyt of electrons. Franklighu wrote: "..gives the upper atmosphere a positive charge" and assume that there is the deficyt of electrons. He is not right. It means that the electrons fly to this region (from this region which is negatively charged). But in the both region is the excess of electrons but the voltage is different. Do you agree with me? S*

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Not just supposedly. Remanent magnetisation proves it beyond doubt.

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Remember, you are not reasoning in term of the model proper to the True Geology, to wit each planet in Sun Cosmic Atmosphere is like a balloon in Earth Atmosphere. It never return to higher pressure system since at its moves away, mutatis mutandis, its expands with constant mass & density reducing, to adapt then to lower pressure environment.

Dinosaurs were destroyed but the immense catastrophe and in each case first the deluge of fire and then the deluge of water, but foremost by the fact that their survival would be impossible at our present gradient of energy corresponding to present orbit. It would be like having whales with legs.

Just one remark for your perusal : the Pyr=E9n=E9es and concomitant deep sea trench called Meditt=E9rran=E9e are oriented East - West, while the Rockies, Andes, Alps ( in recent Alpines uprising) Himalaya oriented North South with in the case of the Andes the deep sea trench ( Atacama) bordering it .Okay ? Ever wondered why ? Such interrogation of course does not appear in Official Geology aka Universities taught fraudulent Geology

Well this is because in True Geology mountains building are resulting from Hydraulic counter reaction to Cosmic impact ( in all cases it was the Moon ) Then you have surrection in phase with subduction in a process which in the case of the last Alpine folding took at the most

6 - 10 hours for the whole Alpine then uprising.( Himalaya & all) That date is written in letter of fire to say in all present unconsolidated sedimentaiions spanning the world, in which the official Geologist Retards see the proofs of Glaciations ...such theorizing little minds ...of course the 1200 volcanoes of the Pacific Rim of Fire are clearly defining the exact center of the zone of impact

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The main cause is not terminology, but the wrong premises upon which religious sects have conditioned Humanity at large to reason.

With best regards

jpturcaud

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The Sun's magnetic poles flip every 11 years. The earth about a million years.

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"Australia Mining Pioneer & Founder of the True Geology" wrote news: snipped-for-privacy@q14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

Indeed the overall density of the Earth being approx 5.5, only a most dense inner core can account to proper compensation of all lighter materials rising to the surface in average at 2.6 density...

Be careful. The gravity constant measured by Cavendish may be wrong. The Earth and the Moon have the excess of electrons. So each body also. The balls in Cavendish measurement WERE charged and REPEL. The radio charge/mass is diameter dependent. The Moon dust levitate. So the correct gravity constant should be measured with the balls under proper voltage. May be that the overall density is close to the 2.6

Iron is not a noble metal. Gold is. But it is rather unreal that the all solid planets are made of gold. S*

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Geomagnetic field reversals are very erratic, occuring at intervsals from thousands to millions of years:

Tom Davidson Richmond, VA

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To have an electric current, there have to be at least two sets of charges (positive and negative) where the center of mass of each set of charges moves at a different velocity. The magnetic field is generated at the earths core, which is mostly made of liquid iron. Iron is a metal, which means its outermost electrons are free to jump from atom to atom. The part of the atom left behind has a nucleus surrounded by electrons that are bound in position to their atom. This is true for both the solid and liquid phases of iron. The nucleii with bound electrons have a positive charge, while the free electrons have a negative charge. I think the appropriate scientific words are that the nucleii with bound electrons are cations, and the free electrons are free electrons. The cations are thousands of times more massive than the free electrons. Therefore, even a small electric field applied to the liquid iron can send the electrons moving at a speed that is hundreds to thousands of time faster than the motion of the cations. Iron is hard because some of these bound electrons form a covalent bound. Covalent bonds are very strong. However, in a liquid enough covalent bonds are broken so that the atoms can move around. Thus, if there is an electric current it has two components: a small component made of cations and a large component made of free electrons. At the earths core, one set would be the free electrons and the other set the atoms with nucleii and bound electrons. The magnetic dipole would be caused by the free electrons moving in a circle on average. The earth moves in a circle. In addition, the liquid iron is moving up and down due to convection currents. The combined motion of circular motion and convective current forces both cations and electrons to move in spiral patterns. Electromagnetic theory shows that such a system can form a bistable mode, with two equally stable equilibrium points. On is where the north-south ray points toward the astronomical north, and one where the north-south ray points to the astronomical south. A small perturbation can flip from one to the other. Since there are two carriers, it is obvious what happens to the angular momentum. If the electrons reverse motion, there is a change in angular momentum of the electrons. However, the cations are also reversing in direction. They are much more massive, even thought they are slower. So the cations change angular momentum in the opposite direction. The change in angular momentum of the cations balances the change in angular momentum of the free electrons. The change in velocity of the cations is much smaller than that of the free electrons, because the cations are more massive.

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Electromagnetic theory shows that such a system can form a bistable mode, with two equally stable equilibrium points. On is where the north-south ray points toward the astronomical north, and one where the north-south ray points to the astronomical south. A small perturbation can flip from one to the other.

Hmmm...

If true, this would tend to support the idea that a change in the magnetic field associated with the flow of atmospheric charges due to changes in wind patterns (as in an ice age) *could* trigger a "flip" in the earth's field.

I wonder if you could elaborate on the "bistable mode" idea OR provide some references to published information that would support this idea?

Thanks!

Bill Miller

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By what measurement does its poles flip? You can't claim anything unless it is measured.

Mitch Raemsch

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