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Supposedly, the earth's magnetic poles have
reversed several times.

A permanent magnet implies a DC current.  That
means charges, with mass, orbiting.  A pole
reversal implies a current reversal, does it not?
Wouldn't this represent a massive violation of
angular momentum conservation?

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Rich


Re: flipping of earth's poles
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:38:42 -0700 (PDT), RichD

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No, an electromagnet implies a DC current. Permanemt magnets seldom
include batteries.


  That
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Current has very little mass.

John


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On Jun 19, 8:05A0%pm, John Larkin
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One cell in one domain--its magnetic moment over broad area bears
[direct] currend, or arccurrend.  Each orbital is a metastabil
superconductor-superinsulator.

-Aut

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   Why should it... the total angular momentum of the earth
   is conserved, including mass and energy (equivalent mass).


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I think a current reversal does cause the poles to flip, but only a
tiny amount of mass in the atmospheric winds is responsible for this
reversal. The main magnetic field is governed by the much smaller
atmospheric magnetic effects. See:

http://franklinhu.com/earthmag.html

fhumag

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I think a current reversal does cause the poles to flip, but only a
tiny amount of mass in the atmospheric winds is responsible for this
reversal. The main magnetic field is governed by the much smaller
atmospheric magnetic effects. See:

http://franklinhu.com/earthmag.html

fhumag

Excellent job. "This may explain the nature of magnetic reversals since
magnetic reversals are often associated with the onset of ice ages. Radical
changes in the Earth's weather patterns could make winds moving from East to
West, dominate winds moving from West to East. This reversal would also
cause the entire Earth's magnetic field to flip."

You are very busy man so try to rework a little your Explanation.
Take into account:
1. The Earth surface and the atmosphere has the excess of electrons.
2. The electrons are in the atmosphere only on the H2O. (Dry air is the
excellent insulator),
3. At ice ages no H2O in the atmosphere, (the electrons are only on the
surface of the Earth),
4. At ice ages the total excess of electrons may be lower, (they escape into
space like on the Moon),

Of course you should start with this:
"The way that this could work is that the upper atmosphere which contains
the strong winds like the jet stream is ionized by incoming cosmic rays
which gives the upper atmosphere a positive charge. If  a positive charge is
moved in a circle from west to east, it would generate the magnetic poles
with the same polarity as we see them on Earth. This is in accordance with
the known physical properties of charges.You would get the same effect if
you swung a bag of positively charged ions around you in a counter-clockwise
direction"

The whole atmosphere has the excess of electrons. The maximum is at the
equator. There are now winds (in the upper atmosphere) from East to West.
What was in ice age nobody know.
S*


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You should consider again what Uncle Al said :
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Put something in your head before you open your mouth.  Remember all
the crap you were taught in high school?  Ignore it, then learn how
to
think.
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"Australia Mining Wannabee & Founder of the True Geology"
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More drivel from you Turdo? (following your claim that the equator once
ran North/South)
22 Nov 05 (Turd speak):
... as for Einstein that man was a fraud and still more a
 plagiarist. His Relativity theories are the proof of a world
 where the scientists have become completely mad,
to the point of not being able to add and subtract.

Al Eistein is an excellent example of this, madly tossing
 with the time constant which is something which does
exist as such, but is only an Anthroposophical  based
concept. The notion of time, as is well known in Psychology,
 varies according to the metabolism of the person.
Children for example live fast,  while old people from 50
onwards live slower & slower

31 Jan 06 (Turd Speak):
Indeed,  the Land Of  Bastards was born from the sea
only 11 700 years ago ?... a mere few days after the
Moon struck the Earth just a bit East of it,



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 "Australia Mining Pioneer & Founder of the True Geology"
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Ages of any kind etc , further the stability of Earth is quite well
established,   that such "accident" can only be the result of Cosmic
encounter.

O.K. But after the "accident" the Earth come back to former stability slowly
or after the next accident?

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are called Orogensis ( Caledonian, Hercynian, Alpines for the main
ones)

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Mankind 's  thinking with that constant groping in the dark, tossing
eagerly with anything and its contrary, while considering every Jo
Blow & his dog's opinion as respectable. No, the complexity of issue
make it impossible to resolve that riddle in such a spastic way,
grinding on with aspect of the whole one after the others.

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For me it is amazing that the terminology is the main cause the constant
groping in the dark.
In the atmospherical electricity the technical terminology is used (not
physical). In the technical "+" and "-" describes the direction of electric
current. In physics the excess or the deficyt of electrons.
Franklighu wrote: "..gives the upper atmosphere a positive charge" and
assume that there is the deficyt of electrons. He is not right. It means
that the electrons fly to this region (from this region which is negatively
charged). But in the both region is the excess of electrons but the voltage
is different. Do you agree with me?
S*
 


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Remember,  you are not reasoning in term of the model proper to the
True Geology, to wit each planet in Sun Cosmic Atmosphere is like a
balloon in Earth Atmosphere. It never return to higher pressure system
since at its moves away, mutatis mutandis, its expands with constant
mass & density reducing,  to adapt then to lower pressure
environment.

Dinosaurs were destroyed but the immense catastrophe and in each case
first the deluge of fire and then the deluge of water, but foremost by
the fact that their survival would be impossible at our present
gradient of energy  corresponding to present orbit. It would be like
having whales with legs.

Just one remark for your perusal : the PyrE9%nE9%es and concomitant deep
sea trench called MedittE9%rranE9%e are oriented East - West, while the
Rockies,  Andes,  Alps ( in recent Alpines uprising) Himalaya oriented
North South with in the case of the Andes the deep sea trench
( Atacama) bordering it .Okay ?
Ever wondered why ? Such interrogation of course does not appear in
Official  Geology aka Universities taught fraudulent Geology

Well this is because in True Geology mountains building are resulting
from Hydraulic counter reaction to Cosmic impact ( in all cases it was
the Moon ) Then you have surrection in phase with subduction in a
process which in the case of the last Alpine folding took at the most
6 - 10 hours for the whole Alpine then uprising.( Himalaya & all) That
date is written in letter of fire to say in all present unconsolidated
sedimentaiions spanning the world, in which the official Geologist
Retards  see the proofs of Glaciations ...such theorizing  little
minds
 ...of course the 1200 volcanoes of the Pacific Rim of Fire are
clearly defining the exact center of the zone of impact



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The main cause is not terminology, but the wrong premises upon which
religious sects have conditioned Humanity at large to reason.

With best regards

jpturcaud


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On Jun 22, 9:17A0%pm, "Australia Mining Pioneer & Founder of the True
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Wrong, a balloon would sink at niht or winter.

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The deep freezes were written in more than stone, but in worldwide
fossils of trees, weeds, and I guess fish.

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Indeed the overall density of the Earth being approx 5.5, only a most
dense inner core can account to proper compensation of all lighter
materials rising to the surface in average at 2.6 density...

Be careful. The gravity constant  measured by Cavendish may be wrong.
The Earth and the Moon have the excess of electrons. So each body also. The
balls in Cavendish measurement WERE charged and REPEL.
The radio charge/mass is diameter dependent. The Moon dust levitate. So the
correct gravity constant should be measured with the balls under proper
voltage. May be that the overall density is close to the 2.6

Iron is not a noble metal. Gold is. But it is rather unreal that the all
solid planets are made of gold.
S*



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Actually, a magnetic field implies a moving electric charge. The Core
is
metallic, and it and its electrons rotate (move) , along with the rest
of the planet.
 This is a more likely source for the Earth's magnetic field.

The cause of reversals is less easily explained, but, still ultimately
arises
from Core dynamics.

Brad

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This is fairly old stuff (I'm not up to date on this), but take a look at
http://www.es.ucsc.edu/~glatz/geodynamo.html for an idea on the basis for
current (pun intended) thinking.  The general notion is that the outer core
is a convecting, electrically conductive liquid.  Each convection cell can
be thought of as an electric dynamo, generating both current and a magnetic
field.  The Earth's dipole field is simply the sum of all the fields
generated by all the numerous convection cells in the core.  Since the
core's convection is turbulent, the convection cell structure changes with
time - some grow, some die, some are born - and as the core convection
changes, so does the Earth's magnetic field.  Hope this helps.

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Several?  Magnetic striping of the Pacific basin.  Yeah, "several."
 
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the crap you were taught in high school?  Ignore it, then learn how to
think.

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Uncle Al
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Hey, our Earth has two magnE8%ts.  Maybe they each are cationic and
anionic--then a neutralisation and flip would be rather easy when they
inmingel.

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More than a supposition, magnetic particles in ocean ooze
point like compass  needles, and freeze in direction
when the ooze consolidates.   This makes a fossil
magnetic record.

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It might, if the charged particles weren't interacting with
other masses.  That's not the case, though: inside
the earth, molten material is known to circulate in
convection  cells, and only a small part of its mass
carries charge.
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Not just supposedly.  Remanent magnetisation proves it beyond doubt.

R
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The Sun's magnetic poles flip every 11 years.
The earth about a million years.

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Geomagnetic field reversals are very erratic, occuring at intervsals
from thousands to millions of years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9vy_distribution

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

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