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Win's next 10kV project, a 1us ramp

A coax transmission-line transformer is easy to make and has pretty much zero leakage. I'd just be concerned about getting enough core to support your longer sweeps without saturating. Sometimes people drive the core the other way before or after each shot to demagnetize (or reverse magnetize) it and double the available volt-amps.

Hey, could you drive your electrode with a really high voltage sine wave and use the sorta linear middle region? Synchronize your particle beam shots (or whatever you're doing) with the sines. That would be a simple resonant hv oscillator, dead simple.

Or use the first swing of a damped sinewave?

John

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John Larkin
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Gunpowder/supermagnet bullet/shaped coil.

John

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John Larkin

Sure, but who wants to wind that on a toroid?

I'll have to test some small teflon coax just for fun. I have an old Spellman hv supply that goes to 30 KV.

John

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John Larkin

Very pretty, except for the radiant heat peeling the stickers off the fans.

I think Win should do it with a big tube, just for the sheer novelty of it.

See abse for my 833A.

John

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John Larkin

AWESOME!! I'd have to use three or four in series?

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Winfield Hill

Aren't those those things where the FBI comes and arrests you?

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Winfield Hill

Doesn't RG-8 have a really good HV rating?

For my 30KV stuff at MIT we used parallel-plate (aluminum) transmission lines with Teflon as the dielectric ;-)

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Jim Thompson

Perhaps that could work, as a fallback. I'll have to check.

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Winfield Hill

How about a HY11 or similar hydrogen thyratron. ~20kV anode voltage,

1600A peak anode current, and fits in the palm of your hand? Plus a passive shaping network, of course.

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

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Spehro Pefhany

That's the other issue, will they even sell them to me? Do I need to re-instate my security clearance to see a datasheet?

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Winfield Hill

I did a similar thing a few years ago, however softer specs. My approach was a stack of transformers driven in parallell by mosfet power transistors. The transformers were made of toroid ferrite cores. Wound by hand with about 300 (at secondary) turns each. What about doing it with ten of them and 500 turns each ;-) /Sven Wilhelmsson

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Sven Wilhelmsson

I see a list of stuff at Perkin Elmer, but they make me request the data rather than simply download it... OK.

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Where do you see the 100-200ns detail?

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Winfield Hill

As I recall, the heater requirements are on par with a 12AX7, so the emission is on par. Same as 12AU7 yes, which is a bit beefier, so the electrons may just be hiding behind the grid; but still nothing anywhere near needed. You'll probably get the grid hot enough to boil electrons off, and still not have enough emission ;-)

Although... 10 or 20 in parallel might work. That's a lot of dead weight capacitance though, isn't it?

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Tim Williams

The 6BK4? I have two NOS 6BK4C/6EL4A Westinghouse tubes on hand for $5.00 (US) each. they are available from a lot of surplus dealers, and the bunch over on news:.rec.antiques.radio+phono could probably fill a dump truck with them.

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Thats exactly why I used a _stack_ of toroid ferrites. Each of them does not need internal HV-insulation, and toroids have low leakage inductance. The primary can be an insulated rod through all the toroids. Thats the HV-insulation. But, as indicated above, the cost of handwork can be high. /Sven

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Sven Wilhelmsson

PE say full off to full on in 100-200ns

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

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Spehro Pefhany

In article , Winfield Hill wrote: [....]

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Or, perhaps:

Some ceramic capacitors have decreasing capacitance for increasing voltage. You may be able to use these to straighten out an RC ramp reducing the problem to just one of switching.

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Ken Smith

Closed it.. let's see (click click) ah, here:

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Page 2. Note the nasty 100ns commutation spike wot comes out the grid.

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

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Spehro Pefhany

I was thinking a custom design. You're not suggesting a TV flyback are you? Way too slow I'd think.

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Winfield Hill

OK, I had that (it's all you can get), but didn't read it carefully enough.

"During commutation, a high voltage spike appears at the grid of the thyratron. This spike happens in the time it takes for the plasma in the grid-anode space to "connect" to the plasma in the gridcathode space. During this time, the anode is momentarily "connected" to the grid thereby causing the grid to assume a voltage nearly that of the anode?s."

Ouch!!

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