v for frequency?

Yes, but that was in order to immediately lose and be showered with rebuilding money. It just didn't quite work out.

In the end its all a philosophical nightmare. Should we leave pre industrial herders and hunters with massive death rates and short lives to their own devices? Or would they actually prefer to be brought into at least the 19th century?

I spoke to one woman in the Caribbean who said 'it was much better when we were run by Britain' Drugs and gangs were not tolerated, and education was respected.

No one would dispute that South Africa under the communist ANC is worse off for almost all ethnic groups than it was under the thoroughly racist Afrikaaners. The only group that has benefited a little is the emerging educated black middle class, but even their affluence has come at the price of out of control crime rates .

Everybody seems to want to ape the affluent western urban/suburban lifestyle, but without adopting any of the cultural mores and religious tolerances that made it all possible.

And that goes even for White Europeans, who seem to want to enjoy the fruits of a post modern post industrial lifestyle without any of the underlying technology that makes it all possible.

Just Stop Civilisation!

I wonder who will shower rebuilding money on Russia?

I have wondered how the JSO protesters can really avoid knowing how much of their own lives depends upon oil.

Bicycles are out of the question: tyres made from latex would be very expensive and wear out very quickly, and oil for the bearings and grease for the chains would be problematic. For that kind of person, I suppose animal fats would be a non-starter.

Clothes, medicines, cosmetics, paints, dyes... most of it starts life as crude oil, among thousands of other things. Coal has many industrial uses apart from burning it raw, and I suppose that would be off-limits also.

Back to the 18th century, at the latest, with a population and life expectancy to match. And if animal labour is also ruled out...

It gets worse, eliminate animal husbandry, and you are pretty much back to an aboriginal hunter gatherer, without the hunting.

When the world human population was under a million

Wrong, the arab traders had brought both.

It didn't.

They claimed to, but actually imitated the Netherlands

Or so it's proponents like to tell us.

If you actually knew anything about the subject, you'd realise that the weren't on the least "primitive" and if you are dim enough to swallow that kind of propaganda, you wouldn't know enough to have anything to forget.

Sub- Saharan Africa isn't a continent, and the continent of Africa includes Egypt, which had both the wheel and writing long before the UK.

Why fortunately?

It was a comedy - essentially a farce.

Colonial occupation didn't manage that. It mostly made the original inhabitants of the colonies occupied worse off and less well educated than they had been before

She knows what to say to British visitors. It's all part of the tourist experience. Tell then what they like to hear, and take their money

Nobody would waste time arguing with the kind of demented fruitcake who would advance such a bizarre assertion.

The crime was just as poorly controlled under the Afrikaan regime, but the while police kept the crooks out of the white enclaves.

Twaddle.

This is the usual climate change denial propaganda. They want to assert that modern technology runs on burning fossil carbon - which it did - and like to claim that there no other way of getting the energy required, which doesn't happen top be true.

There's nothing civilised about burning enough fossil carbon to wreck the climate, and sane people note that transitioning to renewable energy sources is an entirely civilised solution to the problem. The fact that renewal energy sources now provide cheaper energy that burning fossil carbon is an added bonus, but the fossil carbon extraction business is - not unnaturally, but entirely dishonestly - relucant to admit this.

As the Natural Philosopher takes pains to illustrate, at frequent intervals.

The worst of the muslim religious fanatics don't.

Neither do the Amish.

That's completely silly with the religious tolerance line.

This is remarkably ignorant nonsense. Oil is just fine as chemical feed-stock - the problem only cones when you burn it as fuel.

You don't burn bicycle tyres or lubricating oil or grease.

You don't burn clothes, cosmetics or medicines, and as long as you don't burn them using hydrocarbons is perfectly okay.

Getting the energy to power your machines from solar cells and wind turbines is cheaper (and whole lot more efficient) than using sunlight to grow crops to feed horses to generate that power. Storing the energy overnight in batteries means that you can use it when you need to.

Joe is remarkably stupid.

Life would be seriously s***ty for most people. And the population would have to go back to the 7 million or so it was at the time, and the social contract of the time too, with a lot of people beholden to the lord of the manor who provided food and shelter in exchange for hard labour. Very hard labour, too.

Any volunteers to bump off 90% of the population?

Don't worry, it's in hand. See Agenda 2030.

Joe hasn't got a clue. we'll have to give up on burning fossil carbon for fuel, but using oil as a chemical feedstock is perfectly fine

Garbage in produces garbage out.

There might be an argument for bumping off the gullible twits who produce this kind of ridiculous nonsense and expect to be taken seriously, but they aren't anything like 90% of the population, and there's no real need to get rid of them - we will be able to keep on feeding them, though it would be a temptation not to.

It's not remotely necessary. There might be an argument for bumping off this kind gullible twit, but they'll probably do it to themselves, winning Darwin Awards for improving the gene pool as they edit themselves out.

Russia doesn't need any rebuilding money - other than very trivially, no-one has attacked it.

Just Stop People

Of course. A woman in charge of a ship is asking for disaster.

"On board" was the rule.

I think Edward Heath had several on 'Morning Cloud'

I thought it was usually choir boys? And that, is why we joined the EU....