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I've been eating Hershey chocolate all my life, and I like the sour-milk flavor. Other milk chocolate tastes flat and boring. Even decent European brands.

It's no different from buttermilk, yogurt, or cultured butter. I don't like cultured butter because it tastes rancid, since I have always purchased sweet butter.

It tastes like milk to me. I grew up in the Detroit suburbs, not on a farm.

The Hershey almond bars are different somehow. Darker, less gritty, not as sour I think.

Engineering supplies:

Most milk is only pasteurised.

Since it was bought by a US company it is now completely inedible. It's just colored sugar. There is no taste of cocoa whatsoever

Years ago I drank fresh goats milk, from a pair of goats down te road. it tasted disgusting, like newspapers. Later on I saw the goats, and that, mainly was what they were eating. Newsprint.

Supposed to be bedding, but goats are goats

Milk is a relatively vile drink anyway. .

Not in the US it isn't. They destroy milk beyond all recognition. The only thing about natural milk that remains is its whiteness.

Most UK supermarket milk has been pasteurised and often homogenised to obtain the various milk fat contents that people prefer these days and also to stabilise it so that the emulsion doesn't settle to milk and cream like the old milk bottles of real pasteurised milk used to do. Basically the supermarkets prefer a longer shelf life over taste...

It has since become something of a destination with a clever machine that refills 1L bottles with any of their milk or various milk shakes. There are big queues there at the weekend!

It is more expensive and doesn't keep as well as supermarket milk but it tastes a heck of a lot better, same is true with unpasteurised cheeses.

UHT? that is vile

low temp pasteurised is fine, I find no difference between homogenised or not except no lumps

We like Chocolove, among others.

Reese's peanut butter cups used to be OK but they have a dark version now that's very good. It's a Hershey brand.

Justin's dark pb cups are very good too.

We can get non-homogenized milk here, in a glass bottle with the cream floating on top.

Reported, a couple of days ago, as now being far too crumbly.

French milk is horrible--all UHT. It tastes like diluted Carnation Evaporated. It's the same in Holland and Belgium,

Is British supermarket milk any different? (AFAICT it's an EU mandate, so probably in force even post-Brexit.)

You can get low-temperature pasteurized, non-homogenized milk here too. It's called 'Standard Milk".

Not found in supermarkets any more, though.

One thing that's been noticeable here in the last couple of years is that milk keeps a lot better in the frig, even after it's been opened.

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Phil Hobbs

yeh, I've noticed it too. best-before is still usually ~10 days after production date but it used to be hit and miss if it was still good on the last days

The last time the US thought that was Irak, but it turned out not to have enough money to be able to intervene effectively.

It had got into Afghanistan a bit earlier, and with slightly more justification, and was a bit slower getting out - again because it couldn't afford to do the job it had set out to do. The US is a bit too prone to take on jobs that it hasn't got the resources to finish off, probably because the people who take on these jobs can't think them through any more carefully than John Larkinln, who likes to think that he designs his electronic circuits.

I don't think so. UHT milk is completely different to normal pasteurised milk.

AFAICT milk is pasteurised - flash heated - the separated into fat and non fat, then blended back to whole fat, skimmed or semi skimmed and 'homegenised' by blasting it through a nozzle to stop the fat separating out, and that is essentially it.

UHT milk is heat treated to a far greater extent to remove nearly all bacteria which gives it a much longer shelf life. But it also changes its chemical structure considerably. It does 'taste different'

But I don't drink milk anyway. I really don't like milk., Probably got scared by my mothers teats at the age of 3 days.

I use 'unleaded' milk (semi skimmed) in coffee and that's it. On very rare occasions I might have a bowl of cornflakes. I cook with milk though for sauces and batters

But I love butter cheese and 'natural' yoghurt. I stock no margarine or vegetable fat product at all.

That is available but its not the dominant product in the UK. Pasteurised and homogenised and possibly skimmed is what we get.

Stuff I have separates out into sludge and whey after a few days even in the fridge. Tastes vile.

Not like the old days when it separated out into butter and whey, and or turned itself into cottage cheese...

And a major stomach infection 4 times a year was the norm :-)

I am no fan of the 'natural, organic' life.

Been there, done that etc,

I don't like free range pigs because they are morally better, or have more nutritional value, I like them because they taste f****ng BRILLIANT. And my body says 'thank you' to me, and the pig, for the privilege.

Same goes for grass fed lamb and beef.

I don't buy chocolate any more, unless it's a special branded item. Some of the speciality chocolates taste like Cadburys used to...Chocolate is now for me a luxury item - best quality, rarely bought.

I like British milk - in fact I have a glass on my desk right now. French milk tastes odd. My wife calls it "rice milk".

Most people who ate cheese ate cheese that they had made.

Most people didn't get enough to eat in winter. Most of the bones dug from that period have starvation rings every winter. That's seasonal malnutrition.

It happened pretty much every winter. the bones don't lie.

The enclosures acts did force peasants off their lands. The factories exploited the labour that became available.

Science gave us most of that. The British agricultural revolutiuon increased crop yields without any help from industrialisation, and freed up enough agricultural labourers to make the industrial revolution possible.

Mainly due to wiping out a lot of endemic diseases. Your number is mainly about chance of surviving childhood which has risen from 50% over most of recorded history to about 96% today.

The recent version of that is the British Empire. It was a bringer of civilisation to almost every country it took care of.

It's easy to forget how primitive some of the countries were before Europeans and in particular the British brought Western civilisation. For example, when Britain came to sub-Saharan Africa the entire subcontinent had not discovered the wheel nor made use of writing. Fortunately for them, several of the wealthiest countries in Africa today are former British colonies.

A story that is popular in parts of the UK.

Since the relevant bits of the UK aren't all that well in formed about foreign countries, they did like to think that the areas that they invaded and exploited were "primitive".

Sub-Saharan Africa isn't a continent. The African continent includes Egypt who discovered the wheel and used writing a long time before the UK did.Ethiopia was Christian before the UK was.

And who might they be?