Turn your Rigol DS1052E Oscilloscope into a 100MHz DS1102E

Hi Keith,

That's is somewhat compelling.

I don't know how long those Pro850's have been on the market, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the better chunk of a decade now, and I remember that back around the turn of the century IRDA was still looking pretty attractive (it was quite cheap to implement too, especially if you only wanted the slower

115.2kbps version), whereas of course today it's become very nichey and is rapidly dying off (although those guys on eBay will sell you USB to IRDA adapters for line until they bit the bullet and decided to do the engineering themselves

Yep, that's the thing with the BTR800s -- they're long in the tooth and lacking many features, but what they do they do well and people just like them. I've heard of some guys who were trying out HME DX100's since they really wanted the smaller form factor but went back to BTR800s based on what they found to be better usability and audio quality.

Basically the BTR800 is largely the standard that you and I are both trying to displace. :-) Too bad you have some years worth of a head start amd appear to be rather successful! :-)

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Yes I did. Once again, it wasn't new information exposed by me, and it wasn't a negative blog. It was an informational blog clarifying an interesting design/build aspect of this scope, and actually had a positive spin. I used words like "great value for money", "excellent quality", "smart", "clever", and "professional" etc. FYI, I actually approached the GM of Rigol USA about it before I did the blog, asking them to clarify and present their side of it. They did not respond. But you'd know all that if you actually watched the video. I know the GM reads this forum, and has even contributed in the past, and I have had previous correspondance with him about my postive review of the scope which they liked.

That's laughable. I have been one the biggest supporters of their scopes, and am almost certainly directly responsible for more sales of them than any other individual. Your viewpoint is so myopic it's truly amazing. Keep digging that hole by all means, but be careful, because as Phil said, you might pop up in China.

Good for you, so do I. And so do the probably thousands who have bought one based on my promotion and recommendation of it over the last year and a bit.

Dave.

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At first I thought it was another of Nymbecile's. It fits.

Dry cleaning. He is sorta wheezy.

The only new analog scopes I know of are minor brands, B&K/Instek/Kenwood sort of stuff. All the name-brand scopes are digital now. LeCroy used to sell the 470 MHz Iwatsu scope, but I think they gave that up. The Iwatsu SS-7840H is around $10K. And not even color. It looks to me like digital scopes are less expensive at pretty much every performance point.

Microchannel plates are insanely expensive, especially ones big enough to be an oscilloscope screen.

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Yup, economy of scale and other factors.

Iwatsu still do a 1GHz analog storage scope at $28K:

The 400MHz analog is $7500:

and the 470MHz at $12K+: Ouch!

Hameg do a 200MHz analog at $2500:

The Instek 200MHz one is $1800

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That's quasi-digital, with a CRT-based scan converter tube.

My friend Bernard still makes this:

which uses the older kind of scan converter, two electron gun/deflection systems facing one another in one tube with some sort of charge storage film between them. This is the one Tek used to market. Goodness knows where he gets the tubes... probably old stock.

I don't miss tubes, or meter needles, or analog scopes at all.

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The only way to find out is to input a signal that causes aliasing. With high samplerates, short memories and limited hardware the only way is to simply discard samples.

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They are a lot cheaper second hand because no-one wants an analog scope anymore. $500 should be enough.

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I had a couple pairs of the Tektronix version of this I bought in the late '70s and early '80s. They had two 7000 series plug-in bays and went for ~$20K each (don't remember if that included the 7B92 and 7A19, or not).

If it's the Tek tube, it's a 512x512 diode array inbetween the two guns.

Nope, though I do still like analog scopes, at times. Don't have one, but that's a different matter.

Me neither. Although the low end digitals like the Rigols are no match for an analog scope for some jobs. So unless you've got a high end digital, it's still useful to have that analog scope around.

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The old Tek scopes were DVSTs. Two guns, one write gun and one projector= =20 gun both on the same side of the storage grating. The scan converters = are=20 a different technology.

There is still a few us who want one. I am still on the lookout for=20 a Tek 2465 or very similar. There are cases where even my TDS 544A=20 won't get me the same results.