Third Party Tests Conducted

amdx · 2013-05-21T19:39:09+00:00

On the right side of this page is the PDF download of a third party testing of the the E-Cat HT. There were two tests 96 hrs and 116 hrs. Anyone care to read and review the paper. This could finally the start of cheap power. "the E-Cat has roughly four orders of magnitude more specific energy and three orders of magnitude greater peak power than gasoline!" The graph is a little strange because the E-Cat HT and Plutonium 238 are so far out on the edges. Mikek

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Martin Brown 13 years ago

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Surely you jest. Fleischmann and Pons were convincing - they had an excellent track record of previous electrochemistry research and made a claim which although it subsequently turned out to be incorrect but was described in a way that anyone who wanted to could try and reproduce it.

A part of me still wants to believe that they (F&P) were actually onto something but that it required a very peculiar set of circumstances to actually make it fly. Sadly it was not to be. There are still a few stubborn groups around the globe trying to reproduce it even now.

This e-Cat thing screams "free energy scam" louder than a jet engine!

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I am sure DIY electric car fans are all experts in nuclear physics.

Even if QM makes it 10^2600 times more likely you are still on a hiding to nothing with a reaction cross section of 10^-82 in a lab reactor.

If you do that your brains may well fall out.

Nickel and iron are close to the global maximum of binding energy per nucleon. It would be very hard to think of a less likely substrate.

Palladium at least had a plausible mechanism whereby it might just be able to get deuterium to fuse. This e-Crap stuff is pure hocus pocus.

There are any number of national standards labs in the world that could settle this once and for all. Instead he takes it to a bunch of guys in a shed and tries to pass off their dodgy "experiment" as a confirmation.

That "paper" will never see the light of day in a mainstream journal.

Regards, Martin Brown

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Jon Elson 13 years ago

Well, why are they using thermal imaging of a unit sitting in open air, instead of a system which can measure the ACTUAL heat output? This method is prone to HUGE errors due to emissivity, and the convective/conductive heat transfer is simply ESTIMATED, no attempt to even measure it! If you pumped water into a calorimeter and weighed the amount of water turned to steam every hour, you'd have an EXACT value of heat produced.

Then, if the thing is heating to 800+ C, why do they need to keep the heater on at all? This is the one that troubles me the most. Put some insulation around it and turn off the heater, and DISCONNECT the wires! Then, I would start to believe it. But, as long as the heater is still hooked up, I think there is funny business going on.

Jon

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John Larkin 13 years ago

Not to mention that radiated power goes as T^4, which leaves huge opportunities for playing games. But I agree that they are most likely cheating on the electrical measurements.

That power meter is tacky. It uses clamp-on CTs, so ignores any DC power, or worse.

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Jon Elson 13 years ago

OOOhhh! I didn't catch that one! That's how they are doing it! Sine wave PLUS DC, fool the dummies! Easy to do, just put the DC supply in series with a transformer and hide it under a cardboard box.

Jon

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John Larkin 13 years ago

They are using some mysterious trade-secret waveforms from some magic controller box. The DC component may be deliberate fakery, or could be self-delusion. Lots of folks start fooling people by fooling themselves first.

A healthy slug of DC can saturate a cheap CT and even make the AC component read low.

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George Herold 13 years ago

I like it.. the fancy signal is DC.

George H.

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John Larkin 13 years ago

Trade secret!

I've wondered if a household disk-type power meter actually meters a half-wave rectified load accurately.

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P E Schoen 13 years ago

According to Wiki as well as the principles of operation, a DC component

will not register accurately with an induction type watt-hour meter:

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The newer electronic types, and most professional power analyzers, use Hall effect sensors and instantaneous V*A readings to give true RMS voltage, current, and power readings as well as VA (apparent power or Volt-Amps Reactive), and thus power factor. Such a system can be purchased for under $3000 or rented for about 1/10 that:

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Many are even much less:

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($200)

If they did not use something comparable to these instruments, then I think it can be safely concluded that they are either promoting a scam or are clueless about power, and their credibility ranks among those deluded denizens of the over-unity ilk who expose their ignorance on YouTube and

elsewhere on the web.

Paul

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rickman 13 years ago

Or BOTH!

Rick

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