CK727 PNP Si drift transistor - CK766 PNP Ge transistor ratings

The data sheet for the CK727 illustrated on the web page:

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- shows ratings for the part of

5nA (collector current) and 30nW(collector power dissipation).

Please note the units used.

The only other source for data on this part is from the D.A.T.A. catalog series, that gives collector dissipation of the CK722 as 4mW.

The beta test for this part involves a static collector bias of 10V and 4mA to establish minimum hfe of 30. This would require the part to dissipate 40mW, at least for the duration of the test, unless a curve tracer was used. Even then, this exceeds the paper collector current rating by some orders of magnitude.

Similar part numbers in similar packages are either rated at

40 to 100mW,

or 2 to 4mW.

Is it possible that the latter group suffer from practitioners dithering around the same possible typo, made by the same typist, at around the same time? The typo seems only to affect recorded ratings for part numbers

CK721 -4mW CK722 -4mW CK725 -4mW CK727 -4mW CK790 -2mW CK791 -2mW CK793 -2mW all early Si PNP drift types from Raytheon

CK766 -2mW CK766A -2mW

both early Ge PNP types also from Raytheon

A facsimile of the D.A.T.A. listing is hosted for these parts by Datasheet Archive, with the first group of four tabulated on the first page and first lines of the low power silicon pnp transistor section and the second group in the same location for low power germanium pnp transistors. The only parts with lower ratings are those with unstated (blank) listings.

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If this is a typo from the original spec that your sample datasheet represents, it certainly has gone on for a considerable length of time.

There should probably be some official notation made, if only for the sake of museum records, before unprinted reference resources who can clear it up disappear. I'm sure data for these parts was published and republished over the years of the part's commercial life.

Anyone with access to other data sources concerning these part numbers is requested to respond to this news thread or by e-mail to leggatmagmadotca. I've already contacted Mr Ward for any suplimentary info to which he may also have access.

Anyone with a copy of the IEEE Spectrum magazine of March '03 is also asked to review it's contents for more relevent information, and to report it in a similar manner.

Hpofully there will be a more diffinitive entry available in time for the new spreadsheet format of bipolar transistor numbers currently in the works for free distribution on the web.

RL

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legg
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It's better practice to crosspost such questions to all the groups concerned. Then everyone can see others' replies too.

Graham

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Eeyore

Then

It ain't by preference, believe me.

Couldn't get my agent to cooperate.

I'm monitoring all three and will make sure a real result gets suitably multi-posted to the threads.

RL

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legg

Then

I've had a response and a data sheet forwarded from Bob McGarrah for the CK722, one of the '4mW' devices.

The only place 4mW shows up is in the derating factor of 4mW/degC to

0watts at 70degC. Thats 80mW at 50degC and 180mW at 25degC.

If I can see a data sheet for the '2mW' victims and read a 2mW derating factor, it would point to the source of error.

RL

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legg

The last CK722 spec I can find dates from 1955, courtesy of Bob McGarrah, posted as an attachment on a.b.s.e. It is still labeled as 'tentative'. There is also an undistorted version of the image from the CK722 Museum website, with all 'm's intact. This apparently dates from 1953.

RL

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legg

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I wouldn't put too much faith in that page of data - the heading says "Germanium Transistors", yet it lists OC types in the 300's Beyond OC199 is silicon.

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ian field

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Luckily it's not the first or only source for old part data, but you'd be surprised how many part numbers listed by the on-line datasheet archive rely on them.

Frankly, whoever put it together originally at D.A.T.A. has my sympathies. I hope he at least had a mainframe to work with, and not just a filing cabinet of index cards.

RL

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legg

Both came through ok on this server. Thanks for the help.

The 180mW dissipation is the 25degC ambient extrapolation using the

4mW derating to zero power at 70degC ambient from the 1955 tentative data. I don't believe that later figures were actually published, as point contact devices were quickly superceded in industry. Manufacturers didn't use ambient deratings for long - shifting to case temperatures PDQ.

At 50deg ambient, that becomes the 80mW rating given on the 1955 tentative data sheet.

RL

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legg

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