CK727 PNP Si drift transistor - CK766 PNP Ge transistor ratings

The data sheet for the CK727 illustrated on the web page:

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- shows ratings for the part of

5nA (collector current) and 30nW(collector power dissipation).

Please note the units used.

The only other source for data on this part is from the D.A.T.A. catalog series, that gives collector dissipation of the CK722 as 4mW.

The beta test for this part involves a static collector bias of 10V and 4mA to establish minimum hfe of 30. This would require the part to dissipate 40mW, at least for the duration of the test, unless a curve tracer was used. Even then, this exceeds the paper collector current rating by some orders of magnitude.

Similar part numbers in similar packages are either rated at

40 to 100mW,

or 2 to 4mW.

Is it possible that the latter group suffer from practitioners dithering around the same possible typo, made by the same typist, at around the same time? The typo seems only to affect recorded ratings for part numbers

CK721 -4mW CK722 -4mW CK725 -4mW CK727 -4mW CK790 -2mW CK791 -2mW CK793 -2mW all early Si PNP drift types from Raytheon

CK766 -2mW CK766A -2mW

both early Ge PNP types also from Raytheon

A facsimile of the D.A.T.A. listing is hosted for these parts by Datasheet Archive, with the first group of four tabulated on the first page and first lines of the low power silicon pnp transistor section and the second group in the same location for low power germanium pnp transistors. The only parts with lower ratings are those with unstated (blank) listings.

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If this is a typo from the original spec that your sample datasheet represents, it certainly has gone on for a considerable length of time.

There should probably be some official notation made, if only for the sake of museum records, before unprinted reference resources who can clear it up disappear. I'm sure data for these parts was published and republished over the years of the part's commercial life.

Anyone with access to other data sources concerning these part numbers is requested to respond to this news thread or by e-mail to leggatmagmadotca. I've already contacted Mr Ward for any supplementary info to which he may also have access.

Anyone with a copy of the IEEE Spectrum magazine of March '03 is also asked to review it's contents for more relevant information, and to report it in a similar manner.

Hopefully there will be a more definitive entry available in time for the new spreadsheet format of bipolar transistor numbers currently in the works for free distribution on the web.

RL

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legg
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Bad scanning. The characters are "m"'s. Hell, those early germanium things leaked tens of uA. In a lot of cases, the base bias network was taking current *out* of the base, fighting the leakage that was was putting it in. One often saw experimenters circuits that just fed signal into the base through a capacitor.

John

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John Larkin

I don't see bad scanning. Other letters on the identical vertical axis, including an "m" are uncorrupted, though other instances of m as n occur elsewhere (enitter and anbient share the same vertical axis) These look like image format conversion errors due to compression.

Scanning errors are more common on a horizontal (short dimension of platen), and you can see that in varying text hight and chopped art detail. The scale and font seems to change between lines, though constant spacing is preserved between lines.

It doesn't explain 4 or 2mW in the D.A.T.A. source.

What I need is another logo'd data sheet with no errors or different errors, so that the mfr can claim the new sensible data line in the spreadsheet.

RL

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legg

Both came through ok on this server. Thanks for the help.

The 180mW dissipation is the 25degC ambient extrapolation using the

4mW derating to zero power at 70degC ambient from the 1955 tentative data. I don't believe that later figures were actually published, as point contact devices were quickly superceded in industry. Manufacturers didn't use ambient deratings for long - shifting to case temperatures PDQ.

At 50deg ambient, that becomes the 80mW rating given on the 1955 tentative data sheet.

RL

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legg

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