Taking slow signal rise-times into account when driving a CMOS

Dec 01, 2004 4 Replies

Hello,



We have a circuit that generates signals with an extremely slow rise/fall time (milliseconds). This circuit should feed a digital IO sampler that has a CMOS input (AHCT245/645...), and it's known that slow rise/fall times are bad for CMOSes (forcing them to spend long time in a conducting state, thus generating power and heat that may cause damage).



The common solution for this problem is placing a shcmidt trigger (74VHC14) on the circuit's output, to feed a fast signal to the CMOS.



However, one engineer presented the following appnote: "Implications of Slow or Floating CMOS Inputs"

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and claims that this article doesn't mention that Schmidts themselves don't suffer from the slow input problem, and that a Schmidt may be damaged from inputs as slow as 1 ms. He proposes to use a comparator (that has hystheresis) as the most robust design. On the contrary, many people say that the Schmidt is enough, and 74VHC14'th data sheet poses no limit on the rise time.



What is your opinion ? It's an important subject that surely raises in many designs.



Eli


Thanks for the reply, Paul.

Where is the data (voltages, currents) you are stating from ? We've been unable to find such detailed information about the operation of the HC14. Alternatively, do you know if it's possible to see its schematic ?

Eli

My opinion: don't worry about it. The input fets are small and the brief crossover power dissipation won't damage the chips. The TI appnote showed only 4 mA shoot-through (not sure for which part, exactly) and had to conjecture 36 continuous overlaps in one part to demonstrate damage.

And the idea that a Schmitt gate will be damaged by a slow edge presumes that the designers are total idiots. Or something.

John

The HC14 at 5V has a typical maximum current draw (per gate) of about

500uA at 5V supply, with the input at the worst point in the transition region. HCTs are worse by about 3x. You'll thus be dissipating an extra (over the quiescent) 15mW if all 6 inputs are simultaneously at this black spot, or 50mW say for HCTs. Shouldn't break the bank.

Paul Burke

The Philips HCMOS data book, 1988. But it's also here:

Paul Burke

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