Solar cheaper than nuclear

I guess the discussion is over. You have fallen to the name calling fallacy. You must be a socialist.

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Koning Betweter wrote in news:2010081517552338051- Koning@Stumpernl:

involved HOW?

maybe they see a good scam they can profit from.

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Jamie Morken wrote in news:QOU9o.59602$ snipped-for-privacy@newsfe21.iad:

I suspect environmentalists wil be challenging this,because its destructive to the desert ecology,and they also don't like long distance transmission lines. They have already blocked long distance power lines in California,for windfarms.

they may be recyclable,but they still COST to replace. the estimates you see cited don't include that extra hiddeen cost. Thus,the benefits are overstated.

those get dirty,too and their power output drops substantially when dirty. (solar electric panels,which is what we are discussing.)

House roofs do not have enough area to make them practical,and many houses cannot bear the extra weight. Apartment and office buildings have less area per occupant(and more energy consumers).

you folks really haven't thought this all the way through.

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"tm" wrote in news:i498po$kos$ snipped-for-privacy@adenine.netfront.net:

we've already seen significant fraud in AGW "studies".

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Jim Yanik
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Who in their right mind would truck it in? Coal fired power plants have rail lines to haul to coal. Just like coke plants for steel mills.

Ah, the insult. When someone is caught spewing nonsense that's where they take refuge. Not a good move, though. You would do far better if you avoided making baseless and silly claims.

Rui Maciel

There you go with the funny business. Don't you even understand how idiotic your statement is? I mean, yesterday I bought a pack of chocolate cookies. I paid them with money. Where was the fraud in that? Did I defrauded the seller or did the seller defrauded me? But do keep up with the silly name calling if it makes you feel better.

Rui Maciel

A statement of fact.

When someone doesn't want to hear what spoken they stick their fingers in their ears and make noises. You're making noises.

baseless and silly claims.

You would be *far* better off reading what was written. ...end that YOU QUOTED, dummy!

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== Fuel supply ==

70% of subbituminous coal used by the plant was delivered by truck from the nearby Centralia Coal Mine, which was a strip mine and the largest coal mine in the state of Washington, until it closed down on November 27, 2006.[3] Currently, the coal is delivered by rail from the Powder River Basin.

Rui Maciel

I am thinking more of an off the grid situation, where solar roof panels can provide electricty for basic necessities, like a fridge and freezer. However they are still useful on urban house roofs to supplement the power grid, and combined with future cheap and good batteries in each house could give a smart grid with load balancing, giving a constant draw from the overall powergrid. Regarding keeping the panels clean, I guess that is one of the few maintenance tasks that need to be done for them, hardly a reason not to use them, maybe a good invention would be a mixed solar electric and solar water heating roof panels, with nozzles that spray water on the panels once a month to clean them :)

cheers, Jamie

Why not go the whole hog and use future cheap and good perpetual motion machines driving generators?

Jamie Morken wrote in news:Xx3ao.59653$ snipped-for-privacy@newsfe21.iad:

Rule of Thumb; "cheap,good,plentiful;pick any two".

BTW,batteries need maintenance and replacement,too.They don''t last forever. solar panel output drops 1-2% per year. 20 years,and then you need to buy new panels.

don't forget weather effects on solar panels;like hailstorms,perhaps even heavy rains can ruin them. strong winds can uproot them. I doubt a spray once a month is going to clean off bird crap. it doesn't for my car!

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nearby Centralia Coal

Washington, until it closed

the Powder River Basin.

Are you stupid enough to think that there is only one coal fired power plant in the US? Hundreds of coal cars used to pass my house every day, when I lived up north.

So, you don't need a refrigerator or freezer at night? How convenient.

It would be real fun to protect them from all the lightning, in Florida.

Boy, you sure hate being proven wrong. Notice that I haven't expressed any opinion, as the text is nothing more than a copy/paste from the article. You've just made a claim where you manifested your ignorance and subsequently were set straight.

You have two options now: either you keep acting like an ass and keep kicking on the stable door or simply act like a grown-up, acknowledge that you were wrong and end this a bit more knowledgeable on the subject. But if being a moron and kicking on stable doors is your thing then go for it. Knock yourself out.

Rui Maciel

Imagine how many people will die falling off their roofs trying to clean their solar panels. It makes coal mining and offshore rig roughnecking look safe by comparison.

John

No, just a childish attempt at avoiding basing the nonsense that you keep spewing.

It appears that you know quite well how to stick fingers in your ears, as you are desperately trying to do that to avoid providing any basis to any of your nonsensical claims.

Have you provided any basis to your claims? No. So either keep acting like a moron or at least try to provide any basis to your idiotic claims. As you clearly are unable to do the latter then I wonder why you bother posting to begin with.

Rui Maciel

Can you provide any basis for that claim?

Rui Maciel