Remember, when Nancy Pelosi said:

I meant buying over-priced ObamaUnCare will look pretty silly. Just pay the puny PenalTax(tm) instead and pay cash, save money, and get lots better service for ordinary care.

If it looks silly and irrelevant they'll repeal it. Or subsidize it ;).

The only catch is that Ocarp outlawed major medical insurance--you can't buy a policy (I think, not positive) without all the O-baggage. Thanks to Ocarp what should be cheap, affordable major medical security is no longer cheap or affordable.

There are some work-arounds for that, for example policies lasting

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Rand Paul actually did some volunteer works as an opthalmologist. I think t hat quite out of character for republicans but he is not in the old boy clu b. Maybe he will be. I used to support him but he has made some unsavory fr iends and might be an Israel firster like most republicans now, who want to attack Iran for Israel because they cannot handle the job themself. Oh, an ti-Semitic slur ? NOPE. Just look at AIPAC's website. They solicit donation s, citing THAT as a cause. And now, Rand Paul wants to snub Palestine.

However, that does not take away from the fact that he has a pretty honorab le past. Not that he should be President. Well maybe. Get him to appoint hi s Father as head of the fed. Then you would see some heads roll, but unfort unately the old Man should retire, and in fact did or announced he was goin g to.

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jurb6006

Now there's using his noggin. If drugs become legal he will have plenty of work, if drugs stay illegal he will have plenty of work.

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jurb6006

I don't see a $700 per person fine as being silly. With a family of four, it gets to be real money.

Or not.

What about the "religious" pools?

Exactly. That's about all O'care is good for anyway. The O'care deductibles are more than the catastrophic insurance policies, just a few years ago.

But freedom doesn't give you free shit.

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It's your memory that needs work. What you posted was in terms of a within- the-lab dispute. You didn't post any references to the published literature then, and you haven't now, probably because the whole dispute was a storm in a tea-cup, rather than evidence of any large-scale fraud in the climate prediction business.

The published literature is full of papers that aren't quite right for a wh ole variety of reason - working out how they fall short of perfection and f ixing the faults are what the scientific method is all about.

The literature survey in my Ph.D. thesis covered about fifty published pape rs, many of which were obviously inadequate when compared with more recent stuff, and the two that directly preceded my work - published in 1918 and 1

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No. She thinks she didn't okay a non-networked anesthestist, but actually d idn't check everything she signed, and may be too embarrassed to admit it.

I couldn't care less how the US hospital system managed to rip her off, but I doubt if the particular defects of Obamacare had much to do with that pa rticular rip-off.

You have an unsavoury tendency to blame systems you find politically unattr active for faults that don't anything to do with the features that you don' t like.

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magically show up on a hospital bill. She focused on one particularly nasty practice, called "drive-by doctoring," in which physicians call in colleag ues not in a patient's network to consult or assist on a procedure.

Drive-by doctoring has been a feature of unscrupulous medical practice for a very long time. Dishonest doctors have long been in the habit of "consult ing" their friends, and billing the patient for the consultation in the exp ectation that they'll get "consulted" by the same friends and be handsomely paid for a few minutes conversation.

Blaming it on Obamacare is exactly the kind rhetorical trick that you pract ice more or less non-stop. If it isn't the lie direct, it comes very close to it. Your climate science story looks very like more of the same, which i s why I brought it up.

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Bill Sloman

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With you it's always about people, never facts.

Obamacare is the reason millions who could previously go anywhere and be seen by anyone now fall into this trap of "networks" and "narrow networks." Google it. So it's DIRECTLY Obamacare's fault.

Meanwhile, I'll leave you to fabricate some new old conspiracy theories.

Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

It's a fraction of paying $20k (or more) for useless Ocr@p with huge deductible. The slave tax(tm) is halved on minor children.

Christian health care ministries seem quite good.

Only the ones extant at the time of the Intolerable Act's imposition are authorized. (I think there are three.)

There are also exemptions for "a member of a recognized religious sect," as defined by the (non-existent) section 1402(g)(1), so if Obama approves of your religion and your beliefs, you're exempt from the "Individual Responsibility Payment," a.k.a. "slavery tax." (*)

(I think Quaker Amish Muslims qualify if they file affidavits from St. Peter and Muhammed.)

(*)(Section 10106b of the Unaffordable Act, now codified as the Most Glorious section 5000A(d)(2)(A) of the Incredibly Just and Fair Internal Revenue Code of the Ignited States.)

Socialism gives you other people's, free. Very nice but I already make my own, thank you.

Cheers, James Arthur

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Obamacare can't be the first form of medical insurance that tied the insure d to particular doctors and particular hospitals. Kaiser predates Obama, an d that's a supplier-specific package.

From what little I know of Kaiser, they aren't the kind of organisation tha t would go in for the extra-consultation scam, but their patients couldn't "go anywhere".

Falling for conspiracy theories is not a contagious disoreder. And your fav ourite conspiracy theory - about anthropogenic global warming being a clima tologist conspiracy to justify more and bigger research grants - makes you our resident conspiracy theoretician, with extra bonus points for not knowi ng what you are talking about.

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Bill Sloman

Perhaps but still far from "silly".

Ah, that's the catch I was looking for.

But you aren't the average American.

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krw

Yep, I was paying $5,256 for 4 people in 2012 for what many thought was catastrophic insurance, $10,000 deductible. Today an O'care policy for 3 people is $17,112 with a $13,700 family deductible.

I'm still keeping my partial free market plan at $8,448 with $10,000 deductible for 3 people.

While I can!

Mikek

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amdx

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