Remember, when Nancy Pelosi said:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 10:17:02 -0500, amdx Gave us:

I guess that makes you the group's stool pigeon.

And you the human fly!

Of course the right wing wackos ALWAYS truncate that quote. And of course they always and take it completely out of context. And you didn't even get the part you truncated correct.

We need to teach the right-wing some critical thinking skills.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 06:47:25 -0700, sms Gave us:

You mean like the analytical skill it took to notice that Obama was a domestic terrorist affiliated asshole who never did a damned thing to abate gangs or crime or gun murders in his state?

The same terrorist who's "foundation" he was the director of, sucking $90k a year from us for, which paid for his college. The same terrorist he put his wife on the payroll of?

That skill?

I doubt that any congressperson actually read the ACA before they voted on it.

It's 906 pages, reading one of which makes you want to jump off a bridge. It has spun off over 10,000 pages of clarifying regulations.

SEC. 6404. MAXIMUM PERIOD FOR SUBMISSION OF MEDICARE CLAIMS REDUCED TO NOT MORE THAN 12 MONTHS.

(B) by adding at the end the following new sentence:

exceptions to the 1 calendar year period specified in such

Section 1115A of the Social Security Act, as added by section

(1) in subsection (a), by inserting at the end the following new paragraph:

payment and service delivery models under this section, the Secretary may elect to limit testing of a model

and (ii) by inserting after the first sentence the following new sentence:

models expected to reduce program costs under the applicable title while preserving or enhancing the quality of care received by individuals receiving benefits under such

(B) in subparagraph (B), by adding at the end the following new clauses:

in medically underserved areas and facilities of the Indian Health Service (whether operated by such Service or by an Indian tribe or tribal organization (as those terms are defined in section 4 of the Indian

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On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:04:02 -0700, John Larkin Gave us:

Another reason it should be shitcanned.

And that sign it now without reading it practice should be declared as a criminal act.

Anyone who votes on any law should have to pass a quiz on it first.

My feeling is that if we did they'd stop being right-wingers. Mind you, Jam es Arthur can muster fairly impressive critical thinking skills if they tur n out to take him to a conclusion he likes, so it may not be as much the sk ills as the intellectual integrity required to use them in a consistent way .

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

Human? Hardly.

You think it is OK for them to pass laws without know what the are ?

Den fredag den 30. oktober 2015 kl. 01.29.48 UTC+1 skrev snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com:

they hopefully have people working for them reading the laws

Bill Gates hasn't read all of the code for windows either

-Lasse

You do the feeling, let others do the thinking. At least Ron Paul tried to get a bill passed that would give them a mandatory time period between a bi lls introduction and the first vote.

But you think it is critical thinking to give them a day to read a thousand pages ? You think it is critical thinking to pass a law not knowing what's in it ?

I have noticed that Australians are practically socialist, want to ban guns and seem to support nanny government.

We do not WANT what you got. Get it ? We are barbarians shooting at each ot her. You all seem to think there is something wrong with that but we got al ot of people who need to be killed. To the point where many of us support t he death penalty, even when this f***ed up just-us system does it. Even tho ugh they have knowingly executed innocent people. Well innocent of the part icular crime of which they were convicted. Nobody is really innocent here, well maybe a few thousand people. Like nuns. Not the priests, but I think the nuns are pretty honest.

If he did he'd most likely have a shit fit.

o get a bill passed that would give them a mandatory time period between a bills introduction and the first vote.

nd pages ? You think it is critical thinking to pass a law not knowing what 's in it ?

It's the American way. The reality is that bill - like pretty much everythi ng else that gets through Congress - was negotiated between those of the in terested parties rich enough to have a lot of lobbyists and rubber-stamped by Congress. The people that own the country run the country, and have done since the founding tax-evaders got out from under British notions of socia l responsibility.

ns and seem to support nanny government.

Most countries see the virtue of democratic socialism. Australia's current government is less convinced of it's advantages than most, and wants the co untry to look more like the US, but the current prime minister is cleverer than the last one, and probably clever enough to understand where governmen t intervention does work better than half-baked free-market solutions.

The free market approach to tertiary education was tried, and didn't work t oo well - to the point that at least one technical training company is bein g prosecuted for fraud, and several more seem to be in the queue to be pros ecuted.

Sure. You need it, but your right-wing press has been telling you that it's not what you want for so long that you can't imagine accepting it.

something wrong with that but we got a lot of people who need to be killed.

If you own a gun, the person most likely to be killed with it is you, most likely by your own hand. Suicide can be a rational choice, but in almost ev ery case it's a consequence of pathological depression. Having lots of guns around makes them more accessible to murderous lunatics as well as suicida l lunatics. Mass shooting are rare pretty much everywhere except in the US

- and they aren't that common there - and war zones.

ucked up just-us system does it. Even though they have knowingly executed i nnocent people. Well innocent of the particular crime of which they were co nvicted. Nobody is really innocent here, well maybe a few thousand people. Like nuns. Not the priests, but I think the nuns are pretty honest.

They deceive themselves as effectively as they deceive everybody else.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:41:53 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen Gave us:

Nobody was reading them when they were handed the 1500+ page 'bill' the night before the vote on it took place.

Who is going to teach these skills, to you?

I got a copy the instant it was posted on Congress' website, read day and night chasing all the references to understand it, and was barely toe-deep in when they voted to pass it three (or four) days later.

It wasn't physically possible to read it before the vote--I tried.

The law itself reads like the most absurd left-wing kookery. Lots of aspirational statements and claims about improving and fixing everything, with bureaucrats, meddlers, and taxes.

It's already falling apart at the seams--the LA Times reports that 70% of California's small businesses will lose their plans next year.

" an estimated 70% of California's small firms that offer employee health insurance -- haven't yet faced all the sweeping changes that resulted from the Affordable Care Act."

Translation: Most Californian small business employees will be getting a new plan, losing the old.

Cheers, James Arthur

A law that is passed without consent of the People is inherently undemocratic.

"But we're a representative republic," you say.

Okay, when the People's representatives don't read the laws either, how can the People possibly have been represented?

And when the People vote those fools out over what they did (2010), and five people in black robes say what the rascals did can't be undone, what's that?

This is a new form of government for the U.S.*

(*) Actually it's as old as the hills--government by a handful of rulers.

Cheers, James Arthur

A job for a committee or staff group then.

There's nothing absurd about trying to make the world a better place. James Arthur has been brain-washed into automatically thinking that if any initi ative has been endorsed by anybody except Tea Party guru's it has to be lef t wing kookery, and regards government intervention in anything as bureaucr atic meddling which will raise his taxes.

This is merely right-wing kookery, and he shouldn't waste time posting his entirely predictable prejudices.

Does that mean that it's falling apart at the seams? It's more likely that it means that 70% of California's small businesses had bought the cheapest possible health plans which weren't good enough to satisfy the new rules.

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More accurate translation. Most Californian small business employees were b eing fobbed off with inadequate health care plans.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney