Re: My Vintage Dream PC

jmfbahciv writes:

> >> Patrick Scheible wrote: >> > jmfbahciv writes: >> >=20 >> >> Bill Leary wrote: >> >>> news: snipped-for-privacy@news2.newsguy.com... >> >>>> Patrick Scheible wrote: >> >>>>> GreenXen>> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Hi: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> My vintage dream PC contains the most advanced motherboard [in =

terms

> >>>>>> of ability to handle the highest processor speed of it's type =

as well

> >>>>>> as maximum RAM capability] that contains the most amount of =
16-bit ISA
> >>>>>> slots but does not contain any PCI or other non ISA also. It =

does not

> >>>>>> even have any EISA or SCSI. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Here are the other specs of my vintage dream PC >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 1. OSes: Windows 3.0 [not 3.0a, just 3.0] and the most advanced >> >>>>>> version of DOS fully compatible with the other =

softwares/hardwares in

> >>>>>> my vintage dream PC. >> >>>>> [snip] >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Windows 3.0?? More like my vintage nightmare PC. >> >>>> Dammit! Windows is not, I repeat, NOT an OS. >> >>> For the version under discussion, yes, this is/was pretty much =

true.

> >>> >> >>> Today, and for some time, it actually was/is an OS. >> >> Not really. What do you think the terms NT and Vista exist? >> >=20 >> > Because "Windows" by itself is too vague to trademark. (And also to >> > designate specific releases.) >>=20 >> Monitor releases which is not the app. > >The monitor and the interface are the same for late versions of >Windows. They are released together, sold together, and used together. >=20 >> >=20 >> >>> Note that I'm not saying a thing about whether that's good or not.=

Or=20

> >>> even if it's good or not. >> >>> >> >> Windows is the app. >> >=20 >> > In Windows 3.x, 95, 98, and ME, yes. In Windows NT, XP, and Vista, >> > the windows interface is inseparable from any other part of the OS. >>=20 >> I don't care if it's inseparable; that was a battle that Cutler >> lost. Allowing the app to have hard wired roots in the monitor is, >> probably, The source of all its bugs. > >Oh, Windows has so *many* bugs, I'd hate to ascribe all of them to >just *one* of its design flaws... > >> > Putting the interface in the kernel is one of its design flaws. >>=20 >> That's because their developers didn't know how to do app code. >> They were so used to having their way with putting app code >> into the exec, that they thought they had to do the same with >> VMS. that's one of the hard and fast rules that DEC didn't >> tend to do....allow any old user mode code have direct read/write >> access to exec code. That's why the bit gods invented UUOs and >> CALLIs. > >The PC world did not learn from the mini and mainframe world very >much. Sacrifices that were arguably necessary to make usable systems >on affordable PCs in the late 70s-early 80s continued to be made in >the 90s and even today, when PCs are easily powerful enough for >separation between user code and monitor code. > >-- Patrick > >

OK you have firmly established that you weren't there.

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