Quickie Poll -- C vs. C++

The appropriate SED response almost writes itself, so I won't bother. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I was thinking the same thing.

A friend was at a US trade show and, while setting up the booth, realized that he neglected to bring the required Robertson screwdriver. So he had to wander around the show floor trying to figure out who else was a Canadian company.

Steve

C.

Simpler.

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Usually you can get the phillips screw with a straight screwdriver but not vice versa. You can hardly do anything with torx unless you have the exactly right torx header.

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Most of it is a matter of random choice, whatever is the nearest available, whatever you have in the drawer, if it does the job, and it really doesn't make much difference.

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REXX on a MCU would be perverse indeed.

Warren

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Actually, you can get it for Linux/Cygwin as well (known as Regina).

But it's not my usual tool of choice. On the mainframe however, we don't have much else that compares. I found it useful for testing complex REXX scripts before moving it back to the MF. Otherwise, I much prefer awk.

Warren

I don't know--the statically linked executable is about 393k on Windows, so if you built it for an ARM Cortex M3, say, you could probably slim it down to below 256k, which is less than half the flash available.

Of course scripting usually needs a bunch of I/O, so it usually won't make sense without a disk.

I used to really love HP Basic on the HP9816--it had really great built-in GPIB support, which made instrument control a breeze.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

That's at odds with most descriptions of Phillips screws and screwdrivers. They indicate that Phillips screwdrivers are designed to pop the driver out of the screw before the screw can be over-torqued. When that happens, the screw is usually deformed and cannot be reused.

Mark Borgerson

Or removed. Give me a broken shank any day.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I lived in NewHampshire for a while and Robertson was available there.

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Oh no! Oh, please no! I have had more trouble with removing Phillips screws than all the rest put together. Inserting a Phillips screw - fine. The screwdriver is pushed into the screw in the same direction the screw is required to travel. To remove the screw the screwdriver must be pushed into the screw against the desired direction of screw travel. An old assembly, perhaps a little corroded or even just stuck and the screw can strart to 'spin'. The *@;*%! things have caused me nightmares.

Mike

On a sunny day (Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT)) it happened AC Me wrote in :

Yes, take the dremel, and make a nice slot in the head, use a normal screwdriver. Works sometimes.

I've removed numerous torx screws, in a pinch, with a regular screwdriver if they aren't too awfully tight; it seems you can usually find an angle and a screwdrive that'll work.

On the other hand, allen (hex) socket screws are hard to deal with without the proper tool.

Phillips screws are actually designed to cam out of the screw head before enough torque can be applied to risk shearing off the screw head. That made sense back when power tools didn't have clutches on them, but it does tend to instead lead to a lot of stripped screws. For use with hand tools, I find Pozidrv screws preferable in that they don't cam out... yet with a hand tool usually there isn't much risk of shearing off the screw head either. (...although an impact driver makes it unlikely to strip Phillips head screws...)

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Yabbut that hardly fits in the 16KB of an atmega168. ;-)

Warren

With some familiarization, C++ feels simpler now to me. If it's code I'm writing myself. If I'm analyzing/applying someone else's code, all bets are off.

Steve

Admittedly I'm not sure if they are Pozidriv, but I have sheared heads off stainless steel sheetmetal screws. Apparently, aluminum is sticky stuff, the threads sieze and off goes the head. (Note: sheetmetal, so they're forming the thread in situ.) I find it odd that stainless fasteners are that much weaker than their mild steel counterparts (which went in just fine). Though I'm sure it doesn't hurt that galvanizing has a high pressure lubricant effect.

Tim

Of course it's subjective, but I don't see how it could possibly be simpler to have to make decisions on class layout as well as structuring/organizing functions within a class as opposed to structuring a small group of functions. Even if you are only using one class, just carrying around the class baggage is a negative, in my opinion.

Of course.

From a users point-of-view, the best programming language for anything is one that they know. Unfortunately that applies to any language: from Ruby, Python, C++ or Java to APL, Perl, Basic or Forth. Everybody forgets their learning curve and all the hacks they had to acquire over a long period of time to work around their language's oversights and weaknesses.

That's one reason why it's very helpful to be proficient in at least 2 very different programming languages.

IMHO. YMMV.

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