Perpetual Motion Failure!

The problem is that if it was 4.00001 percent more efficient, it would self destruct.

That is the fundamental flaw in perpetual motion devices. They rapidly self destruct.

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On the Lutec website

there is a link to the later setup showing the use of digital power meters in place of the original analog meters in the video. In reading the "how it works" page it seems that the actual DC input is pulsed on for only 20% of a revolution. The use of digital power meters (Center 232) is supposed to provide a counter to the critics who have picked up the obvious flaws of using analog meters, however these meters actual make the claims even more fanciful. The specs for the Center 232 show that it has a sample rate of only 2 per second and since the sampling period is not synchronised with the input pulse, which is on for only 20% of each revolution (ON period thus dependant on RPM of motor), the chance that a measurement sample will be taken while the ON pulse is present is very small indeed, so the readings are flawed in my opinion. Perhaps using a power meter which samples at least 1000 tmes per second might give more realistic results.

The LEA also appears to be a rework of the old Adams motor/generator.

(under magnetic motor researches)

A skeptical viewpoint

If conventional meters are used at all, they are wrong. They are ALWAYS wrong.

Even true RMS instruments are wrong if used outside their allowable crest value range.

See

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Finding a source of unlimited free energy would be one of the most imaginably henious crimes against humanity.

For it would be GUARANTEED to turn the planet into a cinder.

Anyone even pondering the possibility should be staked to an anthill.

Per

for a tutorial.

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If it is a video on perpetual motion, it obviously is a fraud. There is nothing to tell.

End of story.

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Check your Lego licensing agreement very closely. Lego specifically forbids use of their product on a perpetual motion machine.

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Actually, Lego is a really useful engineering tool.

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No more so than the *effectively* unlimited energy obtainable from -- controlled -- nuclear reactions...

Who cares what the license agreement says?

Your first born daughter might. Read the fine print.

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Work = Force * Distance

In order for your machine to be perpetual. One of the two conditions must be satisified:

1) There must be no counteracting forces upon the machine, id est, friction.

2) You can warp space indefinitely.

SNIP I searched his name in google groups, this guy lives at alt.magick for some semi-interesting reading check out his "extrapolating polynomials" thread.

Wasted talent.

Yep he also admittedly to trying to use other newsgroups to spam another alt. group over a stupid argument.

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...and what makes the fine print enforcable?

Can I send you an email that says "By reading this email, you owe me 1 dollar"?

Will you pay me the dollar?

Can I take you to court if you refuse?

Not good enough. A perpetual motion machine is something that not just moves perpetually but *does work perpetually*.

And how will this help.

Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, snipped-for-privacy@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"

Sure is. At least that's what I built my first perpetuum mobile out of.

robert

He could go a long way if he started with a good education.

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The failure of perpetual motion machines has nothing to do with friction. It has to do with the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Even if friction could be eliminated entirely, perpetual motion machines would not operate, since the integral of dq / T must be less than or equal to zero. From this it is possible to derive the efficiency of any heat engine (machine) which is less than zero as a consequence of the increase of entropy in any spontaneous process.

"If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell's equations then so much the worse for Maxwell's equations.

If it is found to be contradicted by observation well, these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes.

But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation." (Eddington)

martin