Quadrupole Magnet

What theory? Free energy? Forget it - unless want to wind up as another internet crackpot. Read this instead:

Quadrupole magnets are nothing special:

These days it's possible to make magnets with many poles. They're often used in brushless DC motors:

-- Joe Legris

Well I am testing the theory out anyway.. :)

I bought a lego wind generator and a few capacitors, from this site and am going to use a low voltage motor to power the generator with magnets. And see how much energy I create verses how much I use. It seems to me that with enough capacitors, I can power the generator long enough to recharge the capcitors in the series. But it is only an experiment.

Capturing the wind's energy is easier than ever with Pitsco's new wind generator.

Show students how alternative energy is created by harnessing the wind produced by a table fan. Experimenting with different blade pitches is a breeze with the front adjustment knob that moves all three blades simultaneously. The WinDynamo II, which can produce up to a half amp at

1.5 volts, features a stackable banana connector for adding a voltage meter.

This wind generator also comes with an activity board for demonstrating how to convert the electricity into light, sound, and mechanical energy. Requires a table fan or real wind; neither are included. Some of the activities included with the WinDynamo II require the use of a multimeter.

Are the ignorant never bothered by fact ?:-)

...Jim Thompson

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It never seems to bother Phil, or Eeyore, or Homer, or...

Well, at least they (on occasion) do seem to be bothered by fact ;)

Cheers

PeteS

The OP should be cautioned that everyone who has finally found the trick to create more energy than provided has disappeared along with their apparatus. The extra output power feeds back to the input and rips a hole in space-time which swallows everything and everyone in the vicinity.

You will find that cheap multimeters will give better results. Don't use those with true-RMS, because they lie and tell you that the readings are too low to prove over-unity. Also, don't use a power meter, because they too are fooled into giving lower readings. Use really good capacitors with AC and you can multiply the current by the voltage and find that you get a lot more "power" out than you put in. Don't be fooled by the fact that the capacitors don't get hot. The power is being used for relativistic time dilation. :)

Paul

For another flock of 'em that just flew over, see

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I don't know if this is credible or not. My initial research shows that production of hydrogen usually takes 50 kW-h/kG. Thus 1 liter of hydrogen at STP should be 0.08988 g. The article states 1 W-h for 1 liter, or 11.1 W-H/gram, as compared to 50 W-h/gram. This is a five-fold improvement rather than 2 to 2.5 as stated, but the competing technology may already be twice the standard as I noted. Apparently high-temperature electrolysis doubles normal efficiency.

However, it will always take more energy to produce the hydrogen than can be extracted from it, so it is only an energy carrier. If the energy source is essentially free (solar power, waste heat, etc), the conversion back to electricity seems fairly good at 80% in a fuel cell. I don't know how efficient a hydrogen powered ICE might be, but at least it would be essentially pollution free (unless water vapor is a problem).

Paul

My clothes dryer uses one of these for a power source. That explains what happens to all the single socks.

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You just say that. You have never worked with a quadrupole magnet. They cost 10s of thousands of dollars to have them custom built with specifications for individual particle accelerators. I've looked into it.

If you know where I can score some on the cheap let me know. But I'm workin on a way of building them myself. You have to position magnets into a perfect circle inside of steel to hold them in place and keep the magnetized energy uniform. The circle you need varies in dimensions depending on the size and strength of the magnets. And the quality and focus of the magnet is something that is very hard to reproduce. My prototype didn't even spin right, when I rotated a magnet underneath it like you see in the video.

But my experiment is all set to move forward, and you can make fun of me if you want. But once the parts arive I'll upload another YouTube video of the perpetual motion machine in action.

One magnet will be fixed to a low voltage 0.3v motore, which will turn the other magnet attached to the 1.5v wind genereator. A capacitor will run energy between the motor and generator. And we will see what happens. I expect the motor to generate enough energy to power itself because if I use the minimum strength the magnets need to rotate the only friction created comes from the motors axis rotating in the air.

Anyway it will be fun to see how it works.

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Could you please take this discussion over to S.E.N (sci.electronic.nutcases) where it belongs ?:-)

...Jim Thompson

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I love to cook with wine.      Sometimes I even put it in the food.

S.E.N. is restricted exclusively to card carrying members of the Church of the Latter Day Crackpots. Of whom Nikoli Tesla is their patron saint.

As to higher pole configurations, there's also a side issue with ANY magnet arrangement intended to provide levitation. There is a fundamental proof that it flat out ain't gonna be stable. Unless some sort of gyro stabilization is added. AKA the Levitron.

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I've worked with quadrupole magnets, in ion spectrometers. They might have totalled 10 grand retail, but only because the whole system was very high-tech. (read high-priced.)

You can make a quadrupole magnet by holding two bar magnets next to each other. "Quadrupole magnet" in and of itself is nothing particularly special.

And no matter how easy it seems to turn it, you will not get more energy out than you put in.

Good Luck! Rich

I've made a number of quadropole magnets, it ain't too hard. The actual problem is that the East and West poles decay too fast. I think their cure tempature is lower than the North and South poles. Global Warming?

After viewing this video I ended up on overunity.com, after reading thru several letters from believers and non believers I was about 3/4 of the way down the page when all of the sudden from my computer speakers I hear a cuckoo cuckoo bird say "cuckoo cuckoo" That was the best laugh I've had in a long time! Mike That Torbay Motor "almost" makes you think, If they did just a little more work on it!

Well the guy who is letting me hold these magnets gave them to me so I could build a perpetual motion machine. But he didn't tell me what they were, and it wasn't untill this christmas that I discovered them again. So I owe it to him to experiment!

Do you know where else I could score some more of these things, without selling my soul?

Your soul has already been sold if you think you can build a perpetual motion machine.

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Come on now, Don! Don't you have a Quadrupole magnet you'd sell him for $20K ?:-)

...Jim Thompson

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