OT: Yet Another Unhappy Customer for Vista

That's why all the PCs here have a specialty item: A hard reset button. Whenever there was one that didn't have that or a comparable funtion I'd take the electric drill and put a nice big red reset button in. In the DOS days I only had to press it when I jockeyed around with the C compiler and sent something into the weeds badly. Well, you know, writing to the graphics card registry and so on. Since the advent of Windows it's a daily occurrence. CTRL-ALT-DEL ... nada ... RESET.

Sometimes. Other times, no. They did create some good stuff though such as (the older versions of) MS-Works and older varieties of MS-Word. Quite stable and not too much bloat on those.

My philosophy is why change something if the old stuff works fine? So we ordered the last laptop at a client with XP. To my surprise that was not a problem.

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Regards, Joerg

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I said 'early reviews'. It can't have been too difficult to get the level down to mere extreme bloat from outrageous bloat

Cheers

PeteS

No - it's the software, stupid. Just because we can actually make things run faster and get more memory does not mean software can become lazier, but unfortunately that's exactly what happens. I've written more code than I care to remember and I always did tight code for two reasons - professional pride and *fewer bugs* !

When the folks who write what passes for software[1] now get that into their head, we might actually see improvements to software apart from us hardware types providing faster machines to cover up their inability to write decent code.

[1] I find it interesting that the memory footprint of Linux is always a major concern on the lkml, something I rarely see elsewhere.

Cheers

PeteS

I have an ancient 486/50 with a whopping 64MByte of RAM running a lean stripped down version of Linux and a few apps for my firewall, NAT and print server. Works just fine - console only of course.

Cheers

PeteS

Do you still use an EGA monitor as well?

Modern OSes use modern gear, like laser printers, and OpenGL video cards, and USB ports, and GPIB cards and LabView, and Spreadsheets that can do 65k plus cell rows, and databases that can do Terabyte table sizes and Apache web servers that handle hundreds or thousands of "connectees" at once, and all manner of other such niceties.

How far behind the rest of the world do you average out to be?

I have thousands of dollars worth of PCI and AGP video cards and cards with TV tuners, and yada yada yada...

If you want to play, you got to pay.

If you want to piss and moan, you have no right to blame OSes, hardware or software for YOUR ills, when you are three generations behind the curve.

You either have to belly up to the bar or shut the f*ck up, because you have no right expounding on something you don't know about, which is obvious if your perspective is that which you declared in this silly post you just made.

No wonder you crash out your drives so much. You do know that you aren't supposed to press that reset button while the little drive access LED is flashing, right?

Except that in the case of the nay sayers, the opposite effect occurred.

You all went form mild brain bloat to extreme brain bloat.

It's like you all jumped on the Cindy Sheehan of computer OS hatred bandwagon. All stupidity and no reason based on any facts.

Vista was a full rewrite, and there are no more "patched up" portions, as were the case in the past.

Get over it.

Oh Boy!

I could make a 286 print server. Not a lot going on there.

I'd bet that an Apache web server would very much prefer some more modern gear, however. There are busses that are better, and MANY MANY more reasons than mere OS bloat that we have the newer gear.

Then why do modules still ID themselves as 2K or even NT?

John

Because Dimbulb doesn't know Jack? Because he's AlwaysWrong? Because he's DorkMatter? ...a FatByteTard? ...any number of good reasons.

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  Keith

Because he's a Meat popsicle? Because he's Dead from the neck, up? Because his last working neuron is very, very sick?

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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

OK, so the first time a user has difficulty using a GUI version of linux for the first time becuase it is complicated and bloated then by principle linux is to blame.

Same situation as me then

Sure.

Now imagine how Aunt Tillie would be holding up if she ran linux and tried to install that new printer she bought from the computer superstore. Imagine how much your pro computer guy would make then?

Modules? We don' need no stinkin' modules!

I think you should get your lingo right.

The Command Prompt VDM is a new version... v6

The OS is a new version, listed as Windows Vista v6, not NT.

All of your precious modules are listed as v6 as well, NONE have "NT" anywhere in them.

You musta got lost... somewhere down the line...

They're idiots.

Microsoft promised a new file system, for Vista and for Server, and they couldn't get it to work. So it's still NTFS. The really new innovations in Vista are...

It breaks all sorts of apps and drivers that used to work.

They copied OSX look and feel. Steve Jobs is Microsoft's most creative employee.

The OS is now a DRM machine. I think DRM means "Don't Run their Media"

Security is greatly enhanced. Whenever you do anything that the OS suspects may be risky, it forces you to say "YES". So now, any security holes are your responsibility, and not Microsoft's.

But they made it a lot slower, so you can't make mistakes as often.

John

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Yikes! I never thought of that!

Bwahahaha! ;-)

Although, with a good distro, it shouldn't be that hard. In fact, KDE has a printer install menu that's as pretty and easy as MICRO$~1's.

Cheers! Rich

Or ,as usual, they know what they are talking about and you do not.

An excellent self-assessment.