OT: Why there are no new jobs?

On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 19:40:07 -0700, John Larkin Gave us:

And pollute it at the same time...

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DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
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On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 19:58:26 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman Gave us:

The term is "more clever", not "cleverer".

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DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

"More clever" is acceptable English, but so is "cleverer", at least in my dialect.

Since DecadentLinuxLoserNumeroNul has snipped the context, he's snipped the sentence rhythm that might have motivated the choice.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Bill Sloman

rich into investing more. There are arguments for a more equitable distribu tion of income - particularly in the USA - but more equitable taxation is o nly one way of getting there. The Japanese have a tolerable egalitarian inc ome distribution which pretty much depends on not paying the people at the top what they think they are worth, but rather what they can be shown to be worth.

"Kenyan Economics" has nothing to do with Keynesian Economics.

Dan

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e rich into investing more. There are arguments for a more equitable distri bution of income - particularly in the USA - but more equitable taxation is only one way of getting there. The Japanese have a tolerable egalitarian i ncome distribution which pretty much depends on not paying the people at th e top what they think they are worth, but rather what they can be shown to be worth.

Correct. I misread what had been written. I hadn't realised that the Kenyan administration was ripping of the rest of the country in any new or unique way - I had written them off as one more bunch of greedy crooks in governm ent, so I must have figured that Paul Schoen had made a typo, rather than a poor attempt at a joke.

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Bill Sloman

That's true, but is it worse than people avoiding a 25% tax on income?

The Europeans have 20%-range VATs, AND income taxes too.

VAT is sneaky. It hides the tax in the final price, and places the accounting burden on everyone participating in the production chain.

Adding tax at the point-of-sale is honest, burdens fewer people with the accounting.

The impact of a more reasonable tax system--either Fair, flat, or just cutting corporate rates to world-competitive levels--would be huge. Just imagine, for example, if there were no tax advantage for Apple to offshore profits.

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Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

You could pave over the Golden Gate Bridge. Oh, wait...

For economic reasons, yes. That's the U.S.' problem too. People who soil their own nests want to live according those same principles (that wrecked their homelands), but in a place that isn't soiled, so they move.

I'm speaking of Californians, naturally. :-)

It's both, and you've got a limited patch, no doubt. But the weather has always been the same and the land hasn't shrunk, yet prices were once low enough for hippies and radicals. If there were less pressure from the outlying areas, it would have to make at least some difference in your area too.

The real problem is you've got a monopoly on--an unfair share of--tech companies forming a critical mass that sucks more and more suckees into its vortex.

There's no avoiding it. We need Barack Obama to forcibly relocate those companies away from greedy areas, and spread them evenly throughout America's ghettos. For fairness. You know, "spread the wealth around." (Like the way he's sending all those aliens and refugees to where he vacations on Martha's Vineyard.)

That would fix San Franciso's crowding problem too.

Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 05:07:56 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman Gave us:

Cleverer is what an 6th grade educated dropout who never paid attention in class would say.

It matters not what the context is.

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DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

I know where he was talking about, I don't see him coming in and correcting himself, yet.

Maybe somewhere here a few unwarrented messages he post he may make comment, those I have not read yet..! but I doubt it.

Jamie

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M Philbrook

There are some positive-feedback effects that make technology companies and people cluster. Universities tend to seed that.

There are some "lifestyle" areas that have tech clusters, for the less urban outdoorsey types. Like Grass Valley and a bit around Lake Tahoe, and probably some other areas around the country.

One of the very rare sensible observations that Obama has made (no doubt by accident) is that subsidized housing should be dispersed. His reason why is sort of wrong, but the concept is good.

Problem is, minorities like to be around people like themselves. No black kid wants to be the only one in a suburban high school.

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John Larkin

It's crazy how much the heat sink companies mark up the price of aluminum. Past about $1000, you can do a custom extrusion and buy the aluminum by the truckload.

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John Larkin

It was a poor attempt at a joke, taking a stab at the right-wingers who think Obama is a Kenyan Muslim, and of course the entire Republican party is a joke in its own "right".

Perhaps my emoticon was not noticed ;)

Paul

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P E Schoen

A fairly gifted black kid would probably not mind being the only one in a suburban school. But a lone suburban kid in an all black inner city school - not so much. As to the issue of dispersing subsidized housing, there is really no good reason why people could not live well enough in large apartment complexes as were once the norm for housing projects - except for the breakdown of family and the predominance of crime and gang activity.

There are many vacant houses in the inner city that could be renovated and used for affordable housing, but the problem of crime and drugs makes it impossible. Shifting subsidized housing to less dense suburban areas may dilute the problem to some extent, but it also spreads it out and causes more crime and pressure on law-abiding and prosperous people to move further away.

Paul

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P E Schoen

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 16:42:42 -0400, "P E Schoen" Gave us:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You misspelled Democrat

No emoticon needed. It is true once the spelling error is corrected.

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DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

Don't forget Texas, or North Carolina's Research Triangle.

I think the internet and California's overlords combined offer excellent prospects for changing that. It's getting to where the internet-linked cottage model works, at least for some segment of the work load.

German companies are outsourcing design to the U.S., rather than have to hire at home and carry all those burdens.

I remember your description of New Orleans' well-adjusted salt-and-pepper neighborhoods, prior to federal interventions that turned them into today's salt-and-prepper plus Mad Maxian wastelands.

Friends say post-Katrina federal dollars have sent New Orleans real estate soaring. It's amazing. Listing: "Prime post-apocalyptic rat-infested cockroach farm, tenement-adjacent, IF you're one of the discriminating few who can afford it!" :-)

Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

We have state and local taxes, too.

It would ruin Democrat's day. They'd have one less thing to whine about.

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krw

He never promised to add jobs for citizens.

Does that include illegals?

..and already own property in the area, receiving the benefit of inflated prices.

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krw

I believe so, yes, since we don't discriminate.

I'm actually not a fan of CA's Prop 13 tax cap. It has created a system where only a few new people pay most of the tax, and the rest don't really care about tax rates since they pay so much less.

Good idea, unintended results.

It has also created perverse incentives for cities to drive out residents, develop, and other things to drag in more $$$ for their pipedreams.

The solution to not taxing Granny out of her house is to not tax so much in the first place.

Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

If you have UPS and internet, you can run a company anywhere. If there's a ski run or a beach nearby, even better.

Wow, things are worse there?

Yes. Nola was segregated block by block, not mile by mile, until the feds built the gigantic projects and funded single motherhood. Even the cops wouldn't go into Desire.

Nola sounds better post-hurricane. And it's become a cool place to visit and move to. There are lots of NOLA fans here in SF, I can now buy a very decent King Cake at the bakery down the hill.

It has an active entrepreneur movement, but unfortunately is mostly about making VC pitches and coding apps. New Orleans is always charmingly behind the times.

Tulane has a very interesting dual-major 5-year program, in cooperation with other universities. Things like engineering+physics, engineering+biology, stuff like that.

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John Larkin

There's a beach about 300' in front (and seven floors down) from right now, great Internet connection, too. Got the board layout done, all the parts at the CM and everyone has all the files they need to do their job. I'm sticking my toes in the sand this week. ;-)

One of our sister companies is in Germany but they don't do a lot of hardware design. Perhaps that's why.

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krw

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