OT: Increase of our dictatorship

From John Vibes at Anti-Media.org:

To comply with the 2005 Real ID Act, which the U.S. government has been slowly implementing for the past decade, citizens in a number of different U.S. states will now be forced to obtain a passport if they want to board an airplane ? even for domestic flights.

The Department of Homeland Security and representatives with the U.S. Customs and Border Protection have declined to comment on why certain states have been singled out, but starting in 2016, residents of New York, Wisconsin, Louisiana, Minnesota, New Hampshire, and American Samoa will need a passport to fly domestically. All other states will still be able to use their state-issued driver?s licenses and IDs ? for now, at least.

According to the Department of Homeland Security?s guidelines on enforcement of the Real ID Act:

?The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced on December 20,

2013 a phased enforcement plan for the REAL ID Act (the Act), as passed by Congress, that will implement the Act in a measured, fair, and responsible way.

Secure driver?s licenses and identification documents are a vital component of our national security framework. The REAL ID Act, passed by Congress in 2005, enacted the 9/11 Commission?s recommendation that the Federal Government ?set standards for the issuance of sources of identification, such as driver?s licenses.? The Act established minimum security standards for license issuance and production and prohibits Federal agencies from accepting for certain purposes driver?s licenses and identification cards from states not meeting the Act?s minimum standards. The purposes covered by the Act are: accessing Federal facilities, entering nuclear power plants, and, no sooner than 2016, boarding federally regulated commercial aircraft.

States and other jurisdictions have made significant progress in enhancing the security of their licenses over the last number of years. As a result, approximately 70-80% of all U.S. drivers hold licenses from jurisdictions: (1) determined to meet the Act?s standards; or (2) that have received extensions. Individuals holding driver?s licenses or identification cards from these jurisdiction may continue to use them as before.

Individuals holding licenses from noncompliant jurisdictions will need to follow alternative access control procedures for purposes covered by the Act. As described below, enforcement for boarding aircraft will occur no sooner than 2016.?

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Why here? What is it about this group that attracts all the fringe elements?

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Rick
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rickman

Show me your papers! ...Jim Thompson

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That's the polite version. Later it will turn into evil looking people in black uniforms shouting at you. "Aussweiss bitte!!"

joe

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On 25 Sep 2015 08:00:17 GMT, joe hey Gave us:

Stop! Zeig mir deine Papiere

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DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

No. The way Obama is going it'll likely be Farsi. ...Jim Thompson

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impressive...

Another (at the time) popular one: "Werda!!"

I think the TSA might soon morph into an equivalent of the Gestapo.

joe

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Nah, the ATM just won't respond or the door won't open until you feed it some innocent looking card or swipe some RFID device nearby. No need for Hugo Boss-clad bullies on the ground.

I don't follow US domestic politics much, but isn't this just some intergovernmental bunfight to force the states to upgrade their ID to meet federal standards (allegedly for safety - adding biometrics or something). I suppose I could google it, but that would get me on a list.

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Actually, the TSA has less power than they used to because of all the public exposure to their incompetence.

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Rick
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rickman

Funny, no one here ever seems to get in any trouble for the things they say. Obviously our rights haven't been trampled too extensively.

Has anyone been investigated by the FBI?

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"the REAL ID compliance deadline passed more than seven years ago with not one state in compliance. DHS has improvised deadline after deadline since then, and it has caved every single time its deadlines have been reached. [...]

DHS's latest story is that it might start to enforce REAL ID in 2016. It won't.

Contrary to DHS claims, not one state is in compliance with the national ID law. Not one."

Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

I'm one of those people Lois Lerner was so fond of. And some friends, ~five colleagues, and a client. All at the same time, in the run-up to the 2012 election.

Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:39:41 -0400, rickman Gave us:

Just do not clear your throat or whistle or look at your feet or look at someone else "wide eyed".

You might get SPOTted!

All are on their "watch list".

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Can't happen. The Reichstag fire decree what, in essence, established the Gestapo, reads nothing like the Homeland Security Act, what, truly, established the DHS:

Auf Grund des Artikels 48 Abs. 2 der Reichsverfassung wird zur Abwehr

Versammlungsrechts, Eingriffe in das Brief-, Post-, Telegraphen- und Fernsprechgeheimnis, Anordnungen von Haussuchungen und von

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See? It's in German and directed at commies. Also, it was a decree

Der Reichsminister des Innern Frick, Der Reichsminister der Justiz Dr.

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One has to admire their clarity, forthrightness, & brevity. We had to pass a whole Patriot Act to do that, plus lots of NSA stuff under the table.

Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

Yeah, but we didn't have to kill a bunch of Jews.

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Historically that comes later. With frightening rapidity. But first you h ave to tabulate who and where the regime's enemies are.

Just Obamacare all by itself collects information the Stassi would've kille d for. And did.

I think that's mostly outmoded now. Now they can keep cyber-tabs & just audit critics & scientists, plant some bogus info in your records somewhere , debit your accounts, etc.

Or block you on Twitter.

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Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 16:39:02 -0400, rickman Gave us:

If we sit on our hands much longer, it could be argued that we are partly responsible for what may happen..

It could also be argued that the fact that we sat on our hands for so long back then meant more deaths than had we entered the War sooner. So one could argue that Japan was instrumental in saving Jewish lives by way of causing us to get in the war and thereby ending it sooner than it would have.

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...yet.

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Jim Thompson claims to have reported me to "his friends in the FBI" for my dangerously anti-American activities, and they seem to have been polite eno ugh not to roll around the floor laughing until he was out of earshot.

Any investigation would probably have revealed that I'd been cleared to "Mo st Secret" (which isn't very high, but high enough to get me into US Army E COM) in Australia in 1970, and cleared again in 1976, when I went to work a t EMI Central Research in London.

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