OT: Wheres my Global Warming!

My "integrated" power consumption for 2009 is about 15% below 2008.

...Jim Thompson

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It's right here in the Pacific NW. Records are dropping daily. Art

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It was 115F here in Vegas yesterday. And it holds steady around 110F for already a month and the forecast is the same as far as they dare to say...

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In Sydney we just had our hottest July day in a long time.

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Yet more proof that AGW is a like a man-invented 'god'.

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Not that rubbish again.

A warmer climate would be perfectly natural, but we happened to have evolved as a separate species since the ice ages set in, and we - and our civilisation and agriculture - happen to be well adapted to today's relatively cool world.

Lots of species may do well if the earth starts warming up, but we probably won;t be one of them.

The last burst of rapid global warming happened some 55 million years ago - the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum - and it was marked by a burst of speciation,which must have been fun for the animals and plants who diversified rapidly to occupy the newly created ecological niches, but less enjoyable to the previously dominant species whose ecological niches shrank alarmingly (as ours will if we keep on burning fossil carbon and dumping the caron dioxide in the atmosphere).

The likes of John Larkin, Rich Grse and Eeyore don't know enough physics to understand the science involved, and try to present their ignorance as "scepticism", while decrying better-informed opinion as the dogma of some kind of religion. It's stupid, but they don't know any better.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Graham doesn't seem to realise that there are short term variations in global climate that mean that the correlation over an arbitrary ten year period can be positive, negative and anything in between. We've injected enough CO2 into the atmosphere over the last century to get just ahead of the more or less random noise in the record, and if we keeping on pumping it in at the present rate the positive correlation is going to become uncomfortably obvious.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Considering that we eat those species that will do well with warmer temps and more CO2, I think we humans will come out well ahead. We're not going to drop dead or quit reproducing because the temp goes up a few degrees - if it indeed does - and we'll have lots of watermelons and lemonade and beer to keep us cool.

Cold kills:

and, as the guy says, the comfortably-housed, well-fed, centrally-heated and air-conditioned Western urban elite have adopted AGW as their new religion, and it will be more deadly to the poor of the world than colonialism and the Crusades combined.

Neither the Indians nor the Chinese are dumb enough to be taken in again.

John

FWIW, this URL gets you the same results:

As to where's your GW, I think it landed in So. Cal. It's 11 AM here (Whittier), and the temp. on my office wall clock/thermometer says

82.2F. I also have already turned on my home AC so I don't step into a solar furnace when I go home.

Or, it could be normal seasonal variations. ;-)

Cheers! Rich

A hundred and fifteen? In the middle of the high desert? In July?

The Horror! =:-O

Was your thermometer in the sun? That makes a lot of difference, you know.

The solution to "global warming" was presented in the 1970's: Just paint Texas white. ;-)

Cheers! Rich

Well, around here it has only been in the mid-hundred tens for the last month or so... ;-)

And my weather station (which can get a little afternoon sun) has a high reading of only 128.

Charlie

I measured an ambient of 119°F here Monday. No big deal... keeps the leftist weenies from moving to Arizona... and me inside, sipping gin and tonic... I keep a gallon of gin stashed in the freezer ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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We may find it difficult to sustain a population of some billions if the crops we are used to grwoing stop growing well in the areas where we grow them now; I'm sure that - as a species - we could adapt to a radically different climate. Sustaining anything like our current civilisation would be a lot more difficult, and the process of adaption is quite likely to involve a population crash. Try reading Jahred Diamond's "Collapse" and think about the implications - you'd be one of the more successful members of our current society, and Jahred Diamond's message was that the leaders of the societies that collapsed ignored the signs of impending collapse in favour of maintaining their status within their society while it collapsed.

So does unaccustomed heat.

But probably less deadly than run-away global warming.

Why do you think that? Surely you aren't taking Selwyn Duke seriously, even if he is pandering to your prejudices?

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Graham sees this as "proof". More objective observers see it as just one more concoction of the Exxon-Mobil funded denialist propaganda industry.

The song and dance about the influence of total solar irradiance is something of a give-away; scientifically speaking, this is long- exploded nonsense, but it's ghost continues to pop up in denialist documents intended for the terminally ignorant - of whom Graham is text-book example.

Exxon-Mobil has claimed to have stopped funding denialist propaganda, but this claim seems to be about as trustworthy as the propaganda.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Bill, you really make me laugh when you trot this out on a regular basis yet completely ignore the billions being spent by western governments to fund 'research' into AGW just so they can a) appear green and b) dream up new ways to tax us.

Cheers

Ian

Really!

Who funds the pro global warming scientist if you can call them scientist? You are naive enough to think they are impartial and totally without bias.

They each have there own agenda and it all boils down to what it always boils down too, money and influence.

I personally take it all with a grain of salt.

If we commit to a quarter of what say the Kyoto accord calls for it would be economic suicide. We would turn into the third world countries.

Would it make you happy if we all lived in tee-pees no plumbing, cars, computers etc and recycled are own farts so as to minimize are emissions.

Bill's a socialist. He _WORSHIPS_ taxes, being on the dole and all.

Thanks, Rich