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OT: SOT-523 PNP Question

I need something like a 2N3906 device in an SOT-523 package BUT with pin-out:

1 = Base 2 = Collector 3 = Emitter

A client screwed up his PCB layout and has _only_ 5600 boards to patch... by Tuesday :-(

Possibly doesn't exist, but I told him I'd try... he's near a nervous breakdown. ...Jim Thompson

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Den torsdag den 2. januar 2014 18.03.30 UTC+1 skrev Jim Thompson:

if it has to be done by hand anyway, upside down and turned ~45degrees ?

-Lasse

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

Reform the leads of some MMBT2907's. It will take a lot of labor.

Why did he build 5600 boards without testing a first article? He deserves a nervous breakdown.

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John Larkin

Are the pins evenly spaced around a centroid? If so, that just might work. I'll look up the package drawing. Thanks, Lasse! ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

I know. But he's a PhD, so what can I say ?>:-} He says they worked when tested, but I suspect they "worked" long enough to fry the device... C-E interchange with 9V across it :-( ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

Having done this on 50 boards, I CAN'T IMAGINE doing it on

5000+! YIKES! I wonder if some outfit has a machine that will fold the leads the opposite way a reel at a time. The 45 degeree thing could then be handled easily by a P&P machine.

Jon

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Jon Elson

It may have worked, with modest reverse beta. Some PNPs have high b-e breakdown voltages, 12 volts maybe.

He might just find a transistor that works that way. But not by Tuesday.

Why not cut and jumper? Make him do it himself, all 5600 boards.

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John Larkin

MMBT3906 datasheet says VEBOmax = 5V. I have the client running some breakdown tests for me as soon as he gets back to his Hong Kong offices in the morning.

It may happen, though I have an add-a-component fix that is easier than R&R... just slobber on top >:-} ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

Most SOT-523 PNPs have the same pinout. Without knowing the circuit, could a P-channel mosfet, or P-channel JFET be used that may have the desired pinout?

The SOT-523 is quite a small device. I'd hate to have to do any mod work on it!

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Mike Perkins

Ph.D's love to learn things. This will certainly be a great lesson.

boB

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boB

See attached drawing. Drawing is looking at bottom of 3906; red is rotated position. Note 2 leads can be soldered on board and the 3rd fiddled with added wire. Not the best "fit" in the world and highly dependent on layout and PCB spacing.

Alternate solution: make a 2-sided flex (or similar) small PCB that does the scramble. At that quantity, the scramble patch board could be pick&placed with glue and reflowed, then the 2N3906 pick&placed for 2nd reflow. Neater results, if part layout is tight, this may be the only way.

Charge extra for the solution that you recommend.

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Robert Baer

Are the boards already assembled?

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Cydrome Leader

Yep :-( But it's not going to be too bad... I've found several alternate solutions that eliminate the PNP... and the labor is on mainland China. ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

I've solved that problem on prototype boards by straightening the part leads then mounting it upside down with blobs of solder. That's probably not a good solution for 5600 boards. I'm not sure that Robert's solution isn't better.

How big of a hole does he need to bury 5600 boards?

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Tim Wescott

As far as i have seen, ALL of the "specs" for bipolars are 5 volts, and that clearly is a lie. Most have a typical breakdown in the 8V region,some are higher.

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Robert Baer

We've done that with SOT23s, some LM4040 bandgaps that got rotated.

The tricky part is bending the leads without breaking them. I don't think that's even possible with some versions of the SOT523.

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Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators 
Custom laser drivers and controllers 
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links 
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John Larkin

Do share the fix when it's final.

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Cydrome Leader

Den fredag den 3. januar 2014 00.06.57 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:

I know some of them have the pins flush with the bottom and not bent maybe being generous with solder would work but 5600 is a lot and it seems another fix was found

-Lasse

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

Yep. I wish I could convince clients to not go cheap... then call me in to "fix" their screw-ups. After a little head scratching over someone else's design, I pulled the PNP and added a resistor. Works great and will save a piss-pot of unnecessary parts on the next board spin. ...Jim Thompson

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| James E.Thompson                                 |    mens     | 
| Analog Innovations                               |     et      | 
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    | 
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142   Skype: Contacts Only  |             | 
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  | 
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com |    1962     | 
              
I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Jim Thompson

I know, that why I asked the client to use a real scope and get me some measurements. ...Jim Thompson

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| James E.Thompson                                 |    mens     | 
| Analog Innovations                               |     et      | 
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    | 
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142   Skype: Contacts Only  |             | 
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  | 
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com |    1962     | 
              
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Jim Thompson

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