OT: Latest Tesla Goes BOOOOOM!!!!!

Wow! You must never drive any car then. I believe it was a Jeep Cherokee that hackers ran into a ditch. No one has ever hacked a Tesla other than having direct wired access to the car interior. Even that did not access anything that could be used to crash the car. Your video starts off saying "they may never know..." and offers no evidence of any wrong doing at all. What's more, the car Michael Hastings was driving was a Mercedes-Benz C250!

As these features become more and more universal, even cars without the features will have the hardware and the software with the feature disabled. So any hacking vulnerabilities will be present in all versions. So more likely than not in the next 10 years you WILL buy one whether you like it or not.

I don't have an answer for you but ISTM that you could work it out with the battery specs.

Tesla model X or S with long range battery = 100 kWh = 3.6e+8 J / 544 kg = 662 J/g

TNT = 54.39 kJ/mol / 227 g/mol = 240 J/g

That seems surprising.

Gasoline - 46 MJ/kg = 46,000 J/g

That is even more surprising!!! I guess that's why the really big non-nuclear bombs are fuel-air explosives.

Tesla battery weight -

That's a bit of a cheat. TNT includes it's own oxidant - the three nitro groups.

Gasoline doesn't. It's a hydrocarbon - roughly CH2 - which requires three atoms of oxygen to deliver it's energy of combustion. For each kilogram of hydrocarbon you need 3.43 kilograms of oxygen so it delivers about 10,430 J/gm of stuff consumed. Still a lot more than TNT or a battery.

I can promise you I will not. I'm *already* in the process of switching over entirely to classic cars with ZERO electronics. I don't even like the level of computerisation there has been increasing in cars generally over the last 30 years, let alone what may come in the future!

TurdSipper Dumb snipped-for-privacy@nowhere.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Not that anyone gives a fat flying f*ck what you have problems with already, but hopefully you will die soon, and finally your retarded ass will be auto-filtered from the group and the world. Be sure to refrain from ordering the electronic coffin and find a horse drawn hearse and make them dig the grave by hand. No cell phones or quartz watches on the crews.

You're a joke on intelligent men.

At some point the older cars that can't be brought into compliance with emissions will either be limited in the distance they can be driven or will be taxed heavily. Yeah, you will change because you won't have an affordable choice.

I'll be dead before then, anyway. My 'three score and ten' is well behind me so I'm on borrowed time as it is! I'm not wedded to the petrol engine. I would not object in principle to switching to electric motors, if only the battery problem and one or two other aspecs concerning supply infrastructure and generating capacity could be addressed. EVs are the future - NOT the present!

Destitutedrugabuser has done so much dope over the years, he has scarcely a single functioning cell remaining in his ossified brain. I'm left wondering if he and Sloman and Alison are all one and the same poster.

Obviously a man living in a cave where he can't see the two million EVs on US roads and the thousands of charging facilities.

It's a hoot to see him talking about "generating capacity" as if he had some understanding of the issue. Basically a troll.

I think there are two people who post here who can not possibly be confused with anyone else. One is Phil Alison and the other is you.

Whereas you live on a savannah and can't see the myriad places where charging points aren't going to happen.

I'm not going to argue with that.

Actually I now live in a very EV unfriendly location, Puerto Rico. Not many charging facilities here. I don't know if I'm going to buy an EV or not. Not that charging is the issue, but because I'd like to try something other than a Tesla and there aren't many EV options here other than buying a new car. I need to explore more and investigate. But the econobox seems to be the universal solution to parking and narrow roads. Not a great place for a model X.

So I might get a small ICE until the new breeds of EVs are out in a year or two. Electricity is expensive here too, $0.25/kWh, wow! So it's only half the cost of gasoline rather than a much larger ratio like in Virginia.

I've no idea what it is like in Puerto Rico, but I was referring to the impracticality of ever having charging points in many locations.

Here many city houses and roads were built before people even had shared vehicles - and that includes horse drawn vehicles, let alone bicycles.

In some places the shape of properties built within the last century were constrained in 1086, i.e. 935 years ago. Yup, the shape of housing estates was determined by the shape of fields in the Domesday Book :)

Rural charging stations would be easy. Just use diesel generators.

Alternatively you could put all your prisoners to work, e.g.

Sorry, using Thunderbird newsreader, and sometimes it misfires, or rather fires extra :-)

All this switching to electric - and not just for cars - will require generation capacity from some source and nuclear is the obvious candidate. I wonder if the Greenies considered that conundrum.

Only to people who are as ill-informed as Cursitor Doom and John Doe. Solar cells only became the cheapest source of electric power a few years ago - some people at the University of NSW invented a high output solar cell which could be made cheaply, and the Chinese invested the money to mass produce them in ten times the volume that anybody had before, which halved the unit price. Australian utility companies won't now invest in any other power source, which is up-setting Australia's mining interests, who are leaning on Australia's more right-wing politicians to try to get them to change their minds - which is a bit silly.

It was mentioned in a tolerably prescient paper in the Proceedings of the IEEE some forty years ago.

George Monbiot's "Heat" - published in 2006 - is the kind of thing Greenies would read