OT: Brussels attacks

Don't underestimate HR-droids stupidity and overestimation of their competence.

The other classic one is that anyone over 35 is "too old". I've seen an extremely competent technician/manger who found "PSBD" written on his CV. When enquiring what it meant, eventually they admitted "past sell by date". Their loss, our gain.

I've seen a software company where HR insisted all CVs were handwritten. They sent it to a graphologist before interview! I suppose it had the benefit that anyone interviewed was already known to be a compliant drone.

True. I had a brief section devoted to buzzwords. But nowadays the first level filtering is done by machine.

Ah yes. The "it doesn't mean what it states" defence. Plus the "text's internal inconsistency" means we can ignore the inconvenient bit technique.

Both of those are used to enable, defend and condemn Islamic terrorist atrocities.

I agree with you. There is a broad spectrum of HR departments. Some are s uper good and others are just good. Companies can not afford to have poor HR departments. If the HR department is poor, the company will go bankrupt . Those that claim that HR departments are all poor are just upset that th ey did not get hired.

Dan

On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 09:07:45 -0700 (PDT), " snipped-for-privacy@krl.org" Gave us:

The ignorant ones who hire strictly through temp agencies are pretty stupid.

Every courtroom has two parties who are using exactly the same laws to arrive at opposite outcomes. What's your point?

I don't agree that all HR departments are "good". lol

But seriously, HR is no more important than any other department. Any department can put you out of business. I have found companies where HR was literally "drones" that only responded to the higher management with no real thought applied to the job. It was up to the hiring manager to do the real screening.

It is always the hiring manager that does the selection ( or at least it should be ). But HR advertises the position and gets candidates that match the hiring managers criteria.

Dan

Of course the hiring manager does the final selection. My point is that some companies just push a pile of resumes with minimal pre-screening onto the desk of the hiring manager. As others have pointed out, since HR has no real understanding of the job requirements, they are dependent on the hiring manager to effectively communicate those requirements in a way that HR can screen for. That's why it is often done by buzz words. Different HR departments have different levels of understanding and ability to be effective in the pre-screening.

HR can also be a problem for a company by being too dominant. I've seen companies where the HR manager was the guy who could veto any candidate no matter what the hiring manager thought. This power was rather abused in that he made the rest of the company feel inferior. He was a very difficult person to deal with. Not sure why he was ever hired. What good is HR if they reject too many good candidates?

We're the opposite. Most of engineering is grayhairs - probably 90% of the EEs.

They wouldn't be able to read mine. I can't even read my writing.

Serial buzzwords on a resume increment my bullshit detector several notches. They get extra scrutiny on their design skills.

Strictly, no, but we hire a lot through contract agencies. We get to test drive them before buying.

super good and others are just good. Companies can not afford to have poo r HR departments. If the HR department is poor, the company will go bankru pt. Those that claim that HR departments are all poor are just upset that they did not get hired.

Dan being as non-smart as ever. Poor HR departments (which are more the rul e than the exception) don't bankrupt companies. Good people get hired by by

-passing the HR department.

The HR department in the first company that hired me - Plessey Pacific in A ustralia - was totally appalling. I walked out of an interview with HR guy during the university round of job interviews, because I wasn't prepared to sit and listen to the twerp reading out the company brochure that I'd alre ady read - I wanted to talk about the possibilities of getting the kind of job I eventually got, and he wanted to keep reading.

The engineers knew what a twerp he was, so they read the CV's themselves.

ule than the exception) don't bankrupt companies. Good people get hired by by-passing the HR department.

Australia - was totally appalling. I walked out of an interview with HR gu y during the university round of job interviews, because I wasn't prepared to sit and listen to the twerp reading out the company brochure that I'd al ready read - I wanted to talk about the possibilities of getting the kind o f job I eventually got, and he wanted to keep reading.

So is the company that hired you for your first professional job still in b usiness? Or did they fold because they hired poorly.

Still smarter than you, still richer than you, still went to a better univ ersity than you.

Dan

rule than the exception) don't bankrupt companies. Good people get hired b y by-passing the HR department.

in Australia - was totally appalling. I walked out of an interview with HR guy during the university round of job interviews, because I wasn't prepare d to sit and listen to the twerp reading out the company brochure that I'd already read - I wanted to talk about the possibilities of getting the kind of job I eventually got, and he wanted to keep reading.

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business? Or did they fold because they hired poorly.

Plessey was still around twenty year later, and the hiring policy which mig ht have done them in was preferring WW2 veterans. In Melbourne my over-all boss was Alan Butement

who invented the proximity fuse (though it was developed in the US) amongst other things. He wasn't reading as widely as he might have done in 1970, a nd came up with several ideas that had already been invented elsewhere.

iversity than you.

Dan still thinks he has to be richer than I am (when he doesn't know how mu ch money I've got) and thinks that he went to a better university (when he won't admit which one it was). His claim to smarter than I am seems to be e ven less well-founded, but he's too stupid to realise quite how stupid it i s to make claims you can't (or won't) substantiate.

Ditto. Handwriting, for anything other than a shopping list is just so /quaint/.

Oh, just so. I explicitly and implicitly justified using them in other parts of the CV.

Buzzwords for the HR-droids, achievements for the engineers.

much money I've got) and thinks that he went to a better university (when h e won't admit which one it was). His claim to smarter than I am seems to be even less well-founded, but he's too stupid to realise quite how stupid it is to make claims you can't (or won't) substantiate.

I am still convinced that I am richer than you and went to a better univers ity than you. And also smarter than you. And am willing to put up a littl e money on it. You are not willing to put any money on this which tends to bolster my outlook. I am willing to substantiate it, but not for nothing.

Dan

Since it is Tuesday 29th, I'm sort-of hoping you "are convinced" that your willy is bigger than his.

I'll come to my senses tomorrow.

w much money I've got) and thinks that he went to a better university (when he won't admit which one it was). His claim to smarter than I am seems to be even less well-founded, but he's too stupid to realise quite how stupid it is to make claims you can't (or won't) substantiate.

rsity than you. And also smarter than you. And am willing to put up a lit tle money on it. You are not willing to put any money on this which tends to bolster my outlook. I am willing to substantiate it, but not for nothin g.

In other words, Dan is convinced of stuff that he can't know to be true. No t very smart.

There are several a word to described people who are convinced of stuff the y can't know to be true and smart isn't any of them.

He may think that coupling the imagined superiority of his wealth, the imag ined superiority of his education, and the totally imaginary superiority of his intelligence marks him out as a superior man.

Sadly, it marks him out as a pretentious buffoon.

I don't know about your university or your money, but you sure don't sound very smart.

That's all juvenile stupidity, yours and Sloman's. You can't rationally take credit for being as smart as you were born or for attending some school. You could be grateful if that's in your nature, which I bet isn't.

Money is OK but is largely luck and doesn't make people better or, past middle class, much happier.

I might be richer than you two fatheads combined, except that I don't know how much any of us is actually worth. I don't think about it much. My house is paid for and I can afford almost any test equipment that I really want, and that's what matters.

If you two want to impress people here, design some cool circuits and post them.